Suggestion for the rank badges on the gunshirt

[J-P Johnson]

Originally Posted by N. McKay

We're a bit constrained in my area: the direction is to send a letter (copy to file!) and take no further action. I have fond memories of my old CO threatening to have the MPs after anyone who owed uniform parts...

I'm not talking about that - I'm talking about the cadet stops coming and no-one even calls them to find out if they are coming back!

[Griff]

Originally Posted by N. McKay

How much time do cadets spend wearing gunshirts while on course, by the way?

These days not very much unfortunatly. However, my argument was that if 2 course cadets of different trades (have never seen each other prior to this moment) one being of higher rank then the other were to cross paths while wearing gunshirts, the higher ranking course cadet could impersonate a staff cadet with out the lower ranking cadet ever knowing.

Originally Posted by N. McKay

For the same reason army and air cadets don't wear gunshirts!

Your argument makes now sence. the reason that the army and air cadets wear the dress shirt and tie (to my knowledge) is to conform to the current style of the CF dress. Both the CF and cadet styles of uniform have their own differences, but in the end the cadet unform represents the CF style.

So, why not have the sea cadets wear the dress shirt and tie with their tunics aswell? It would finally give one similarity of the uniform to the current Naval uniform.

[J-P Johnson]

Originally Posted by Griff

Your argument makes now sence. the reason that the army and air cadets wear the dress shirt and tie (to my knowledge) is to conform to the current style of the CF dress. Both the CF and cadet styles of uniform have their own differences, but in the end the cadet unform represents the CF style.

Really?

Air Cadet uniform late 1942:



RCAF uniform 1930s-1960s



Current Air Cadet uniform:



And as for short sleeved shirts...


from August 52

Originally Posted by Griff

These days not very much unfortunatly. However, my argument was that if 2 course cadets of different trades (have never seen each other prior to this moment) one being of higher rank then the other were to cross paths while wearing gunshirts, the higher ranking course cadet could impersonate a staff cadet with out the lower ranking cadet ever knowing.




Your argument makes now sence. the reason that the army and air cadets wear the dress shirt and tie (to my knowledge) is to conform to the current style of the CF dress. Both the CF and cadet styles of uniform have their own differences, but in the end the cadet unform represents the CF style.

So, why not have the sea cadets wear the dress shirt and tie with their tunics aswell? It would finally give one similarity of the uniform to the current Naval uniform.

Personally I like the sea cadet gun shirts and Seaman's Cap. Very traditional and smart looking.

[N. McKay]

Originally Posted by J-P Johnson

I'm not talking about that - I'm talking about the cadet stops coming and no-one even calls them to find out if they are coming back!

No excuse for that.

Originally Posted by Griff

So, why not have the sea cadets wear the dress shirt and tie with their tunics aswell? It would finally give one similarity of the uniform to the current Naval uniform.

The current cadet uniform, across all elements, is largely a modified RCAF uniform (J-P has kindly provided a pictorial history). With the army cadets, if you squint, you can imagine it looks something like a traditional army battledress uniform. With the sea cadets, it has no elemental heritage whatsoever. The gunshirt and turtleneck are traditional naval items (along with the cap, of course) that make it look somewhat pusser. (With tunics off, it looks more pusser than the navy!)

The gunshirt is also a sensible working shirt, having no bits to get caught in rigging, etc. And, for some reason, I suspect it's cooler in hot weather than a CF-pattern cotton/poly number.

[Joe Dollis]

In the early 70's Sea Cadets in Cornwallis wore brassards with coloured squares sewn on indicating their place in the order of things... green for leadership course cadets, red for Staff cadets, etc etc. By 73, Staff Cadets were wearing CF pattern Corporal's badges on the brassard. In all cases, this negated any need to add or remove badges from the uniform, the only thing that counted for camp purposes was the status accorded by the marking on the brassard.

Cheap, easy, simple. can't be having that.

[SasoriTheAirCadet]

except if they don't let you change the style of the gun shirts, what then?
Then again, you are allowed ranks on your work dress....but its not the same. now about ranks on gun shirts.....why not have a pin with the signified rank on it.....just like the 100 yrs navy pin. oooorrrr.....have an armband.....or they could make a modified vs of a gun shirt just like the summer dress of air and sea cadets....the one with eplets and have slip on ranks.

[JoeForan]

Perhaps the Corps could take it upon themselves to outfit their cadets going to courses with an extra gunshirt with specific instructions to never sew a rank on the sleeve. Essentially, they would have their LHQ gunshirt and their CSTC gunshirt.

[AI09McKee]

Originally Posted by JoeForan

Perhaps the Corps could take it upon themselves to outfit their cadets going to courses with an extra gunshirt with specific instructions to never sew a rank on the sleeve. Essentially, they would have their LHQ gunshirt and their CSTC gunshirt.

And that if a cadet were going on staff that would be the exception, their CSTC gunshirt would then have a rank sewn on. That's one of the best suggestions I've read here so far