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    ive also heard of them they are awsome but again like most people say the cadets wont be able to use them because they are to nice and new for us
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    an RO i had, who is the former CO of my city's naval reserve unit, had told me last year that you will need a special course before you will be able to skipper the new vessels, cant remember what its called thou.

    now this year when the commander of maritime forces pacific came to my school for some PR thing, i had asked about the replacement of the yags, he didnt confirm that cadets were not goin to be able to serve on them, but i have heard from many officers (reserve and reg force) that cadets wont be allowed on them.

    it sucks that future sea cadets wont have the opurtunity to enjoy that type of training. i just hope that they find some alternate form of sea training.... like the current deployment exchange. now that would be sweet
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    Atlantic, Eastern, and Central manage without YAG's, Pacific will too, if they have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos'n101
    Atlantic, Eastern, and Central manage without YAG's, Pacific will too, if they have to.
    Hey chief I think he may mean the fact that we will lose them for camp and quest.
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    I mean that such things can be worked around. HMCS Acadia, HMCS Ontario, and NCSM Quebec don't have YAG's, yet they support a boatswain program, with sea phase. (Ontario may only have TG1 at the moment, but thats changing. As for mar Eng, I don't see them allowing theat course to die so easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos'n101
    Atlantic, Eastern, and Central manage without YAG's, Pacific will too, if they have to.
    umm i dunno if you were reffering it to me, but im actually prairie region.

    as for mar eng, i have heard alot of rumors about this being the last yr, now that the yags are bring retired, i think it might actually be so. but we will see this summer
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    Yes... and Prairie doesn't have any program which would require a YAG, or YAG alternative that I am aware of. Thats why it was not mentioned. Also, rumours are rumours. They will always be around, but if this were the last year for Mar Eng, by now we'd know. Or at the very least, those of us with a more reliable rumour mill would have a good idea.
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    Do any of the other officers here know if this will have an effect on next years JOLC (sea) course?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos'n101
    Praire doesn't have any program which would require a YAG, or YAG alternative that I am aware of.
    prarie might not have any program as a whole, but i know quite a few units that go on yag excercises during the year
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    Ok, the Prairie Region too may find an alternative, like the rest of us have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bos'n101
    Ok, the Prairie Region too may find an alternative, like the rest of us have.
    The point is...we all make do without having the YAGs at our immediate disposal...

    And yet, we still seem to provide a decent training program for our cadets...

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    Thumbs down sorry stokes

    Quote Originally Posted by engineer
    I don’t think NTS would allow a staff cadet crew sail alone in their new toys. I think the Marine engineer cousre if still around will focus the cadets being an assistant to a NTS engineer.
    I recently talked to a NTS Engineer and he said that the reg force will supply a chief engineer, Petty officer engineer, and a kilic. Unfortunatly us engineers will not be able to assist in anyway.

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    I very much hope they do not replace or at worst phase out the YAG portion of cadet training, as i find it one of the favourite portions of our program. I myself rank Buffering a YAG as one of my top 3 cadet experiences and as a hopefully future Marine Engineer will be disapointed if our Senior Officer Staff allow this part of our program to simply melt away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestcoastFreerider
    I recently talked to a NTS Engineer and he said that the reg force will supply a chief engineer, Petty officer engineer, and a kilic. Unfortunatly us engineers will not be able to assist in anyway.
    That would represent a huge increase in the manning cost -- a YAG can sail with a single leading seaman stoker (or sea cadet stoker, at even less cost).

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    Pity that... I would have loved an opportunity to serve on a vessel an an engineer like that. I will get to engineer on boats in the Merchant Navy as a Junior Engineering Officer soon. I won't be paid, but the experience will be fun (and all my meals are provided).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLt McKay
    That would represent a huge increase in the manning cost -- a YAG can sail with a single leading seaman stoker (or sea cadet stoker, at even less cost).
    Or free, even...
    I was talking to a PO from MOG 4 at Esquimalt this past weekend, and the word so far is that a Watchkeeping certificate will be required for the skipper; however, CIC Tender Charge officers will be able to play a significant role in the management of the vessel.
    As far as stokers go, there has yet to be a decision that has passed the ears of my contact - he says, however, that the general opinion is that MarEng cadets will still have a signigicant role and may be trained on the new vessels. I'm not an engineer myself, but the engineering portion of the Orcas doesn't seem to be all that more complex than the YAGs, just newer - other than the hydraulic steering gear.

    I'll pass on anything more that I hear.

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    From what I've heard about the new ORCA engines, they are a whole lot more complicated than the former engines. It was posted some time ago on this forum that most engine tweaks and managment will have to be done by a Catipillar Technition with his laptop. This is just what i hear, as I am no authority on the issuie
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    A technician with his laptop *shakes head*

    What happened to the days when machines were machines and it was skilled tradesmen twho took care of them?

    I am less and less trusting of computers when it comes to equipment these days. This is partly why I joined the Sydney Heritage Fleet. with century-old vessels worked 100% by mechanical means. The only new equipment we use is the marine radio (because of modern legal requirements).
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