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    My question in no way slighted their sacrifice.
    How could it?

    It's your question sir.
    Following 911 who was the Canadian Flag Officer to command the multi-national Task Force doing maritime interdiction in the Arabian Sea and Gulf of Oman in the War on Terrorism?
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    How could it?



    Following 911 who was the Canadian Flag Officer to command the multi-national Task Force doing maritime interdiction in the Arabian Sea and Gulf of Oman in the War on Terrorism?
    RAdm Girouard.

    Which ship actually shot towards the Spanish trawler during the Turbot War of 1995?

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    The Canadian Fisheries Patrol vessel Cape Roger fired a .50 calibre (12.7 mm) machine gun across the bow of the Trawler Estai.

    If I were talking about the largest act of self-destruction in Naval History, to what would I be referring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forde.089 View Post
    The Canadian Fisheries Patrol vessel Cape Roger fired a .50 calibre (12.7 mm) machine gun across the bow of the Trawler Estai.

    If I were talking about the largest act of self-destruction in Naval History, to what would I be referring?
    If I am correct that would be the Halifax Explosion of 1917...where two ships (one coming into harbor and one leaving) where the ships collided and one of the ships exploded and destroyed almost all of the waterfront area of Halifax.



    How many ships were lost in the Battle of the Atlantic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ML88 View Post
    If I am correct that would be the Halifax Explosion of 1917...where two ships (one coming into harbor and one leaving) where the ships collided and one of the ships exploded and destroyed almost all of the waterfront area of Halifax.



    How many ships were lost in the Battle of the Atlantic?
    The largest single act of self-destruction in Naval History was the scuttling of the German High Seas Fleet at Scapa Flow at the end of the First World War. The German Navy managed to scuttle 52 out of the 74 ships of their fleet that were interned, rather than see them seized by the allied powers as prizes of war and divided amongst the fleets of the victorious nations.

    I could also have been referring to the 221 German U-Boats that scuttled at various times and places rather than surrender at the end of the Second World War, though this was not a singular act taken on in fleet scale.



    The RCN lost 14 warships to U-boat attacks and another 8 ships to collisions and other accidents in the north Atlantic.

    The Allied powers lost a total of 2,603 merchant ships, totaling more than 13.5 million tons, and an additional total of 175 Naval vessels of all types. (this number includes again the 22 ships of the RCN mentioned above)

    The Kreigsmarine, which literally translates to the War Navy, and was one of the three official branches of the Wehrmacht (the armed forces of Nazi Germany) lost 1,486 vessels of all types, 967 of which were combat-ready U-Boats.

    In total therefore at least 4,264 ships were lost during the Battle of the Atlantic.



    Since you brought it up, how many of Her Majesties Canadian Ships and Submarines were damaged when the S.S. Mont Blanc exploded in Halifax Harbour on the 6th of December, 1917?
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    H.M.C.S. Calgary (K231) was a Flower-Class Corvette

    What is the only place in North America that was subject to direct attack by German Forces in WWII?
    Eight of the 24 HMC ships lost during WW II were destroyed by German Submarines within Canadian national waters. Dozens of merchant ships suffered the same fate as far West as a days drive of Quebec City. So the answer is the approaches to Halifax and the St. Lawrence River.

    There were also attacks on Newfoundland
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    Quote Originally Posted by GWP View Post
    Eight of the 24 HMC ships lost during WW II were destroyed by German Submarines within Canadian national waters. Dozens of merchant ships suffered the same fate as far West as a days drive of Quebec City. So the answer is the approaches to Halifax and the St. Lawrence River.

    There were also attacks on Newfoundland
    Indeed there were, and although I've lost the reference now, I had come across an article about a pier that had been attacked by a U-Boat.

    *Edit* Found the reference online:

    "As a result of the torpedo missing its target, Bell Island Newfoundland became the only location in North America to be subject to direct attack by German Forces during World War II." -Wikipedia Page on the American Theatre of the Second World War

    and since Wikipedia isn't always reliable on its own:

    "Secret wartime documents now declassified, indicate that submarine U-518, under the command of a Captain Wissman, entered Conception Bay on the surface after dark on Nov. 1, 1942. It was raining lightly and visibility was poor at the time.

    Land was visible on both sides and Wissman could see headlights of several motor vehicles and also a searchlight over the Island.

    As Wissman manoeuvred his submarine between Kelly's Island and Bell Island he sighted a shadow close to the Island. He fired his first torpedo at a ship anchored near the Scotia Pier. The torpedo missed its target, ran under the stern of another ship tied up at the pier, the Flying-dile, and struck the pier causing $30,000 worth of damage." -chebucto.org article about the U-Boat attack of Bell Island


    Since then I've also seen in a documentary film about the U-Boat War that they were attacking and sinking shipping in the Gulf of Mexico and landing spies in Texas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forde.089 View Post
    "As a result of the torpedo missing its target, Bell Island Newfoundland became the only location in North America to be subject to direct attack by German Forces during World War II." -Wikipedia Page on the American Theatre of the Second World War

    and since Wikipedia isn't always reliable on its own:
    And it is therefore not correct that Newfoundland was the "only place in North America that was subject to direct attack by German Forces in WWII"

    Canada was! (Newfoundland was not part of Canada during WWII)

    As was the United States since in 1941 Germans sank five merchant ships off the shore of Georgia with American crews.
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    In addition to whatever attacks took place, Newfoundland was also, arguably, subject to invasion by a German u-boat crew who landed a remote weather station in Labrador where it remained until years after the war.

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    Hope bits of that have been preserved somewhere. National War Museum?

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    Hope bits of that have been preserved somewhere. National War Museum?
    Turns out it has: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Station_Kurt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forde.089 View Post
    How many of Her Majesties Canadian Ships and Submarines were damaged when the S.S. Mont Blanc exploded in Halifax Harbour on the 6th of December, 1917?
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