general salute

**life** · 9th February 2005 07:05

What would you call a present arms from a guard of honour to a lieutenant governor? a vice-regal salute or a general salute, even when music is not played?

**Gungod** · 9th February 2005 07:45

Originally Posted by life

What would you call a present arms from a guard of honour to a lieutenant governor? a vice-regal salute or a general salute, even when music is not played?

You would call the 'Vice-Regal Salute, Present Arms'..

**LCdr Gene Fedderly** · 9th February 2005 08:29

Originally Posted by Gungod

You would call the 'Vice-Regal Salute, Present Arms'..

I'm going to check if there's been a change, but I have always seen it done as "Royal Salute Present Arms".

**N. McKay** · 9th February 2005 08:54

Originally Posted by Lt(N) Gene Fedderly

I'm going to check if there's been a change, but I have always seen it done as "Royal Salute Present Arms".

My understanding is that vice-regal representatives get a vice-regal salute, the music for which is several bars of God Save the Queen followed by the last few bars of O Canada. God Save the Queen, in full, would be played with a royal salute. (Unless the band is a pipes and drums, which can't seem to play either song.)

**AudioGuy** · 9th February 2005 09:21

Originally Posted by life

What would you call a present arms from a guard of honour to a lieutenant governor? a vice-regal salute or a general salute, even when music is not played?

Lt Gov and GG of Canada or any other Commonwealth country are royal representatives, the command is "Guard of Honour Royal Salute Present Arms." If there is a band they play the Vice Regal Salute for both the initial and final salutes.

Check Honours Flags and Heritage Chap 13 Annex A it outlines the music to be played, the size of guard and gun salutes requred.

**LCdr Gene Fedderly** · 9th February 2005 09:27

Originally Posted by SLt McKay

My understanding is that vice-regal representatives get a vice-regal salute, the music for which is several bars of God Save the Queen followed by the last few bars of O Canada. God Save the Queen, in full, would be played with a royal salute. (Unless the band is a pipes and drums, which can't seem to play either song.)

Yes, the musical salute that would be played is called the Vice-Regal Salute, but I have never heard that being used as a drill command. After checking CFP 201, it gives the option of either Royal or General Salute Present Arms as commands.

**N. McKay** · 9th February 2005 10:03

Originally Posted by Lt(N) Gene Fedderly

Yes, the musical salute that would be played is called the Vice-Regal Salute, but I have never heard that being used as a drill command. After checking CFP 201, it gives the option of either Royal or General Salute Present Arms as commands.

That makes a certain amount of sense -- presumably the band would know in advance which piece they were going to play, regardless of the command given.

**life** · 9th February 2005 11:02

so the command for a lt. governor would be as follows, "guard of honour, royal salute present-arms."
ok thank you

**46BandO** · 9th February 2005 12:29

Originally Posted by SLt McKay

That makes a certain amount of sense -- presumably the band would know in advance which piece they were going to play, regardless of the command given.

The band and guard would have had some practices ahead of time. Most military musicians already have this salute in their repertoire - or should!

The Vice Regal Salute is the first 6 bars of God Save the Queen, followed by the first 4 bars and last 4 bars of O'Canada.

**AudioGuy** · 9th February 2005 12:44

My experience with Honour Guards for opening of Parliament or a Provincial Legislature is that the Guard Commander uses "Royal Salute". When it gets interesting is at a public (non military) event where the Lt. G is an invited guest, because the Lt. G would be entitled to have the Vice Regal Salute played, and the crowd stand to acknowledge the Lt. G's arrival, but he/she doesn't necessarily want it. I've conducted the band at 5 events for BC's current Lt. Governor and she prefers to have O' Canada played and the crowd sing. In fact she's usually the one singing the loudest.

**Gungod** · 9th February 2005 12:58

Originally Posted by Lt(N) Gene Fedderly

Yes, the musical salute that would be played is called the Vice-Regal Salute, but I have never heard that being used as a drill command. After checking CFP 201, it gives the option of either Royal or General Salute Present Arms as commands.

I stand corrected. Apparently HMCS DISCOVERY did it wrong last year..

**LCdr Gene Fedderly** · 9th February 2005 14:21

Originally Posted by Gungod

I stand corrected. Apparently HMCS DISCOVERY did it wrong last year..

Are you surprised?

**Gungod** · 9th February 2005 15:46

Originally Posted by Lt(N) Gene Fedderly

Are you surprised?

Not really.. They are a good supportive Unit though..

**quadrapiper** · 9th February 2005 17:12

Originally Posted by SLt McKay

My understanding is that vice-regal representatives get a vice-regal salute, the music for which is several bars of God Save the Queen followed by the last few bars of O Canada. God Save the Queen, in full, would be played with a royal salute. (Unless the band is a pipes and drums, which can't seem to play either song.)

Can't remember the names of all of the tunes, but there are tunes assigned as vice-regal and royal salutes for pipes... seem to remember that the Royal one is called Mallorca, and the vice-regal one contains a chunk of "O Canada."

**Bubblehead** · 9th February 2005 19:54

Hmmm... that is quite interesting... I have never in my life heard the order "Vice Regal Salute- Present Arms".

As LT(N) Fedderly & SGT Dominay suggested I believe the command is "Royal Salute.... Present Arms" regardless of whether it is a member of the Royal family or a Vice Regal representative of the Queen. Because the Vice-Regal dignitory is the Queen's representative.

As I understand it the duration of the salute is all that is different with a Vice Regal dignitory receiving a shorter salute (6 bars of God Save the Queen) while for the Monarch the entire piece would be played.

Thats certainly what our Drill & Ceremonial Manual states...... does anyone have a copy of the Canadian Forces version they can check?

**thongdealer** · 9th February 2005 19:57

So a P&D band would play...???...anyone? if the LT. Govenor was there?

**AudioGuy** · 9th February 2005 21:22

Originally Posted by thongdealer

So a P&D band would play...???...anyone? if the LT. Govenor was there?

For Royal Salute Mallorca. For Vice Regal Salute, the second four bars of Mallorca with a dotted eigth note and sixteenth note anacrusis and the first two bars of O Canada. The detailed version of quadrapiper's answer.

**AudioGuy** · 9th February 2005 21:54

Originally Posted by Bubblehead

As I understand it the duration of the salute is all that is different with a Vice Regal dignitory receiving a shorter salute (6 bars of God Save the Queen) while for the Monarch the entire piece would be played.

Thats certainly what our Drill & Ceremonial Manual states...... does anyone have a copy of the Canadian Forces version they can check?

In Canada, the Queen and Prince Philip (and the Queen Mother when she was alive) receive the entire God Save the Queen as the initial Royal Salute, all other members of the Royal Family only have the first six bars for the initial salute but the final salute is O Canada in full for any member of the Royal Family.

The Governor General of any other Commonwealth country on an official visit to Canada would receive six bars of God Save the Queen as the initial salute and O Canada as the final.

**quadrapiper** · 12th February 2005 10:55

Originally Posted by AudioGuy

For Royal Salute Mallorca. For Vice Regal Salute, the second four bars of Mallorca with a dotted eigth note and sixteenth note anacrusis and the first two bars of O Canada. The detailed version of quadrapiper's answer.

Thanks, Sergeant. It's been a while...

**chrischu** · 12th February 2005 14:51

What if you have no band?

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