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  1. #41
    I love it when threads like this get resurrected - they remind me of old questions I planned to look up before asking and never got around to asking when my research got me nowhere.

    So here goes:

    1. "During the march past in quick time, on the
    command EYES – RIGHT, the Colour is let fly on the
    next left foot."

    Who's EYES-RIGHT is this, and who does it? Does the Colour/Flag Party Commander call an Eyes Right or do you just let fly on the nearest Platoon's command? Or on the Battalion commander's command?

    And then who does the Eyes Right? The escorts would have no problem if they are supposed to. Is it correct for colour officers to do an Eyes Right while carrying colours/flags?

    (Of course, in the 5-person formation the Sr Flag Officer would not Eyes Right since they are the marker, and likewise the right-side escort in a 3-person formation would not)


    2. Cadet flag party taking post - can cadet flags ever count as consecrated flags? If not, they shouldn't take post because of this, right?:


    CHAPTER 9 - SECTION 2
    COMPLIMENTS AND REVIEW ORDER SALUTS ET ORDRE DE REVUE
    13. All compliments to royal personages, senior
    officials and higher military commanders shall be
    paid in review order. In review order, the ranks are in
    open order and officers and Colours are forward in
    front of the body of troops. (Non-consecrated flags
    remain in place in the ranks.
    ) See A-AD-200-000/AG-
    000, Honours, Flags and Heritage Structure of the
    CF, Chapter 13.
    M. Scott
    632 Phoenix BandO
    Eastern Ottawa, ON

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    Usual practice is that cadet flags that are analagous to a consecrated colour take the same role on parade - copy/paste "flag(s)" for "colour(s)," and "dedicate" for "consecrate."

    As to compliments paid by flag/colour parties, no idea. Don't recall seeing anything defining that in current or pre-unification docs.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by quadrapiper View Post
    Usual practice is that cadet flags that are analagous to a consecrated colour take the same role on parade - copy/paste "flag(s)" for "colour(s)," and "dedicate" for "consecrate."
    That's true, but taking post would not be a "necessary" movement, right? You mimic what a colour party would do for the specific drill and for what to do during a parade/ceremony/etc, but if there's an extra bit that is not required and would ordinarily be only for consecrated colours, would you still do it?



    Doing a little more digging, found this in the CF 200, Chapter 13, Annex A - TABLE OF HONOURS AND SALUTES ACCORDED TO IMPORTANT PERSONAGES:

    Serials 1 to 6 inclusive.
    Colours shall be carried
    by Colour - bearing
    formations and units and
    shall be dipped during
    the Royal or State Salute.
    Units and elements
    possessing a stand of
    Colours (Queen's and
    Command/College/
    Regimental) shall carry
    both Colours. If the guard
    is mounted by a
    formation or unit which
    does not possess
    Colours, the National
    Flag of Canada and the
    CF Ensign shall be
    carried. The latter two
    shall not take post
    forward in review order
    ;
    they shall be let fly during
    the Royal or State Salute
    and not be dipped

    Serials 7 to 10
    inclusive. Formations
    and units possessing a
    stand of Colours, or units
    possessing only a single
    Colour, shall carry only
    the Command/
    College/ Regimental (or
    "second") Colour.
    (Maritime Command,
    which possesses only a
    Queen's Colour, shall not
    carry it for these serials.)
    If Colours are not
    available, the National
    Flag of Canada and the
    CF Ensign or a
    command flag shall be
    carried for Serials 7 to 9,
    and may be carried for
    Serial 10. The Colour or
    flags shall be let fly during
    the General Salute; they
    shall not be dipped or
    lowered. Flags shall not
    take post forward
    M. Scott
    632 Phoenix BandO
    Eastern Ottawa, ON

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Skir View Post
    I love it when threads like this get resurrected - they remind me of old questions I planned to look up before asking and never got around to asking when my research got me nowhere.

    So here goes:

    1. "During the march past in quick time, on the
    command EYES – RIGHT, the Colour is let fly on the
    next left foot."

    Who's EYES-RIGHT is this, and who does it? Does the Colour/Flag Party Commander call an Eyes Right or do you just let fly on the nearest Platoon's command? Or on the Battalion commander's command?

    And then who does the Eyes Right? The escorts would have no problem if they are supposed to. Is it correct for colour officers to do an Eyes Right while carrying colours/flags?

    (Of course, in the 5-person formation the Sr Flag Officer would not Eyes Right since they are the marker, and likewise the right-side escort in a 3-person formation would not)
    The flag party does not do an eyes right or left. Their heads and eyes all remain to the front.

    Typically, reaction to the command eyes right/left happens when the commander of the first platoon gives the command. That is also when the company (and battalion) commander executes the salute as well.
    2. Cadet flag party taking post - can cadet flags ever count as consecrated flags? If not, they shouldn't take post because of this, right?:

    CHAPTER 9 - SECTION 2
    COMPLIMENTS AND REVIEW ORDER SALUTS ET ORDRE DE REVUE
    13. All compliments to royal personages, senior
    officials and higher military commanders shall be
    paid in review order. In review order, the ranks are in
    open order and officers and Colours are forward in
    front of the body of troops. (Non-consecrated flags
    remain in place in the ranks.) See A-AD-200-000/AG-
    000, Honours, Flags and Heritage Structure of the
    CF, Chapter 13.
    Certain cadet flags parallel Colours (The Sqn Banner, for example, parallels an RCAF Sqn Standard). As such, are afforded some of the privileges of Colours. Members of the CCO (uniformed staff and cadets) are directed to pay them compliments, for example (other CF members are not similarly directed but can as a courtesy). They may be dedicated but not consecrated; and laid up in a manner similar to Colours. They may not, however, have battle honours, etc. To answer your specific question, despite parallelling Colours, they are not consecrated so they may not take post as part of the review order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deBoerBOT View Post
    Hey, a couple disputes because my CO wants everything word for word by the book (err, I mean 201) for an upcoming visit from the inspecting officer...

    Duspute no 1

    In the 201, it depicts letting fly the flags during a march past

    "During the march past in quick time, on the
    command EYES – RIGHT, the Colour is let fly on the
    next left foot."


    It also states in one of the first paragraphs of chapter 8

    "5. Let Fly the Colours. Releasing the Colours
    to fly free, either as a salute to dignitaries not entitled
    to the Royal Salute as detailed in A-AD-200-000/
    AG-000, Honours, Flags and Heritage Structure of
    the CF, or to allow free identification of the flag."


    some in my Sqn have neglected the rules of letting fly the flags in the past and state it is not necessary (and only necessary during general salute). Is it "officially" correct to let fly the flags during a march past?

    What does Releasing the Colours to fly free... ...to allow free identification of the flag. mean in regards to letting it fly anytime when not halted in position on parade square.

    Also, if you know, what are the other times we let fly the flags (other then the general salute)?

    Dispute no 2

    Does anyone know what document (or if its in the 201, then where?) is current for Rifle Drill (not C7/C8 drill). There are some complicated disputes within this, its a little too hard to explain.
    Do not replace the word "Colour" for "Flag". There is a clear difference between the two and there is different drill for a Colour than a Flag. Check the training IG's all of the drill lessons are in thee and will help you out. The IG's should be current with the 201 drill standards if applicable. My Corps website has all the training IG's on it for easy access. http://northshorearmycadets.com/files--documents.html --> Check the Silver and Gold star lesson for drill.

    I hope this helps. : D

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by CACrowe View Post
    Do not replace the word "Colour" for "Flag". There is a clear difference between the two and there is different drill for a Colour than a Flag. Check the training IG's all of the drill lessons are in thee and will help you out. The IG's should be current with the 201 drill standards if applicable. My Corps website has all the training IG's on it for easy access. http://northshorearmycadets.com/files--documents.html --> Check the Silver and Gold star lesson for drill.

    I hope this helps. : D
    The IGs are a place to start but there are numerous errors in the drill section. I was on the rewrite board for the Air-side level 1 looking after updating the drill part and, hopefully, when the updates finally appear, the errors will have disappeared.

    Also, I'd recommend going to the cadets.ca file repository instead of to a corps' website as the corps sites are not necessarily updated promptly when new material comes down.
    gliderwingsJ-P Johnson cd1
    Barrie Ontario
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  7. #47
    So when you're taking about a flag party taking post in a review order, does this mean that the flag party does not advance during the advance in review order? I'm slightly confused, the only time I've heard of a flag party taking post is before a march past...
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  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by AI09McKee View Post
    So when you're taking about a flag party taking post in a review order, does this mean that the flag party does not advance during the advance in review order?
    No, the FP advances too. I think you are confused by the use of the words "review order". "Advance in Review Order" is a separate thing. The Colours (not flags) are ordered to TAKE POST IN REVIEW ORDER at the start of the parade and have already been returned to their normal place before the marchpast. They are not ordered to take post again after the marchpast is completed. When it comes time for the advance in review order, the FP advances with the rest of the formation.

    Quote Originally Posted by AI09McKee View Post
    I'm slightly confused, the only time I've heard of a flag party taking post is before a march past...
    Telling the flag party to "TAKE POST" as a command to the FP in preparation to begin the march past is something I've only encountered in the last few years and is something that definitely isn't in the 201.

    When the parade commander commands the formation to turn to the right in column of route, for example, the flag party commander gives the command to the FP to do a right form. Following the march past, they FP similarly orders them to do a left form into line following the marchpast.

    Reference:
    When required to move to a flank independently, the Colour party shall do so under command of its senior Colour officer by executing forms at the halt or on the march.
    For a march past in column of route with the squadron in line, the command sequence would simply be:

    Parade Comd
    SQUADRON WILL MARCH PAST IN QUICK TIME. MOVE TO THE RIGHT IN COLUMN OF ROUTE, RIGHT - TURN
    FP Comd
    FLAG PARTY, AT THE HALT, CHANGE DIRECTION RIGHT, RIGHT – FORM
    PComd:
    SQUADRON BY THE LEFT, QUICK - MARCH
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  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by J-P Johnson View Post
    There are a bunch of "what the...?" moments in those three videos.

    The countermarch is similarly odd in only one respect: the turning about while marching time that the "centreman" does. Granted the 201 is known to be ambiguous about that but, as far a cadets emulating the video because of its pedigree (being RMC and all), that's not how that person would move during a spiral countermarch.

    And that centre wheel...
    I was never part of the Colour Party at RMC (or the competitions to get to become part of it) but it is common knowledge that CF drill is adapted to RMC. I was one of the training O's for the Drill Team party (separate from Colour Party) and some movements were outright created. A good example is the "Present Arms" on the march (quick and slow march). The best example, clearly, is the Graduation parade. Spacings, orders, timings, etc.

    Take RMC drill with a grain of salt when using it as a reference as it is very adapted to the College (and to the size of its parade square).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMC 24409 View Post
    I was never part of the Colour Party at RMC (or the competitions to get to become part of it) but it is common knowledge that CF drill is adapted to RMC. I was one of the training O's for the Drill Team party (separate from Colour Party) and some movements were outright created. A good example is the "Present Arms" on the march (quick and slow march). The best example, clearly, is the Graduation parade. Spacings, orders, timings, etc.

    Take RMC drill with a grain of salt when using it as a reference as it is very adapted to the College (and to the size of its parade square).
    I'm going to guess that RMC does the "Present Arms on the March" with successive left foots per part...
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  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by J-P Johnson View Post
    The flag party does not do an eyes right or left. Their heads and eyes all remain to the front.

    Typically, reaction to the command eyes right/left happens when the commander of the first platoon gives the command. That is also when the company (and battalion) commander executes the salute as well.

    Certain cadet flags parallel Colours (The Sqn Banner, for example, parallels an RCAF Sqn Standard). As such, are afforded some of the privileges of Colours. Members of the CCO (uniformed staff and cadets) are directed to pay them compliments, for example (other CF members are not similarly directed but can as a courtesy). They may be dedicated but not consecrated; and laid up in a manner similar to Colours. They may not, however, have battle honours, etc. To answer your specific question, despite parallelling Colours, they are not consecrated so they may not take post as part of the review order.
    Very informative, thanks!
    M. Scott
    632 Phoenix BandO
    Eastern Ottawa, ON

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