Canada's Supreme Court OK's same-sex marriage

[Boosey]

Why should the KofC be ashamed for what they did? They refused to do something that went against their beliefs. Therefore, you mean to say that we should have (churches included) 'gay rights' shoved down our throats whether we like it or not? Gays may think that they have a right to marry, but the rest of us have a right to NOT like it AND to refuse to conduct these activities or be party to any of them. Thats what the KofC did, if the people who rented the place did not like it....well, theres plenty of other places for them to go. I support what the KofC did, they took a stand for their beliefs. I say, congradulations to the KofC for standing their ground.

I must agree with you on this. The right to religious freedom must be protected as well. Even though the KoC (love the acronym ;)) doens't perform marriages, they shouldn't be forced to have a same sex reception in their buildings if it goes against their beliefs.

[Boosey]

.............i dont like you.....

I don't think this is the place for that comment; we're all here to debate in a friendly atmosphere, not to say derogatory things about each other.

[N. McKay]

Why should the KofC be ashamed for what they did? They refused to do something that went against their beliefs. Therefore, you mean to say that we should have (churches included) 'gay rights' shoved down our throats whether we like it or not? Gays may think that they have a right to marry, but the rest of us have a right to NOT like it AND to refuse to conduct these activities or be party to any of them. Thats what the KofC did, if the people who rented the place did not like it....well, theres plenty of other places for them to go. I support what the KofC did, they took a stand for their beliefs. I say, congradulations to the KofC for standing their ground.

What if, instead, they had been opposed to interracial marriage and a couple, one black and the other white, had asked to rent the hall for that purpose?

[Chief Hoult]

I agree with SLt McKay.

The fact is that they publically advertised. Same-sex marriages aren't illegal are the moment, and BC has approved them in their courts. I can't advertise a service and be like, "offer void if: black, gay, etc".

CH

[Ching]

Why should the KofC be ashamed for what they did? They refused to do something that went against their beliefs. Therefore, you mean to say that we should have (churches included) 'gay rights' shoved down our throats whether we like it or not? Gays may think that they have a right to marry, but the rest of us have a right to NOT like it AND to refuse to conduct these activities or be party to any of them. Thats what the KofC did, if the people who rented the place did not like it....well, theres plenty of other places for them to go. I support what the KofC did, they took a stand for their beliefs. I say, congradulations to the KofC for standing their ground.
I agree with this to a point... if they Knights had simply straight-up refused the business, I would have taken issue. However, they not only returned the deposit, they paid for rental of another hall and reprinting of the invitations.

The Knights, adhering to church teaching, which is against homosexual marriage, cancelled a rental contract that had been signed, returned the couple's deposit and paid for both the rental of a new hall and the reprinting of wedding invitations after Ms. Chymyshyn and Ms. Smith complained that invitations listing the hall's address for their reception had been mailed.
So they weren't just being bigots... they were being nice bigots. ;)

People are allowed to refuse business to whoever they want, it's just bad PR. The Knights of Columbus avoided the bad PR by doing the right thing in their situation: From their eyes, they couldn't accept the business, but they couldn't leave the women with nowhere to celebrate, either.

[Ching]

What if, instead, they had been opposed to interracial marriage and a couple, one black and the other white, had asked to rent the hall for that purpose?
They can't be opposed to that on religious grounds, because (as far as I know) there's nothing in the Bible saying interracial marriages aren't ok... but on the other hand... when my grandparents were married, they had to get married in the Glebe House (where the priest lives) because my grandfather is Anglican and my grandmother is Catholic. (which, if you go to both services, you'll find are almost identical) And the only reason the priest performed the marriage at all was because he was a friend of the family. SO, that wasn't ok 50-odd years ago, but now seems trivial. Interracial marriages were obscene less than 50 years ago, now are fairly commonplace... in time, gay marriages will be the same.

[piper-from-camp]

What if, instead, they had been opposed to interracial marriage and a couple, one black and the other white, had asked to rent the hall for that purpose?

Thats their perogative. There would be other places for that couple to go, and if the deposit is returned and a polite explanation given, then I see no problem. While it might not be right or fair, if they can claim that it goes against their beliefs then thats their right.


I must agree with you on this. The right to religious freedom must be protected as well. Even though the KoC (love the acronym ) doens't perform marriages, they shouldn't be forced to have a same sex reception in their buildings if it goes against their beliefs.

Bingo. Same reason why I would be completely understanding if my local mosque decided not to host my christian self getting married to, say, a muslim girl.


.............i dont like you.....

Boo hoo. Cry me a river sweetie.

[N. McKay]

Thats their perogative. There would be other places for that couple to go, and if the deposit is returned and a polite explanation given, then I see no problem. While it might not be right or fair, if they can claim that it goes against their beliefs then thats their right.


Okay, now let's say that it's a restaurant that won't admit a mixed couple (or, even more relevant, a married gay couple). Is that okay as well? Where, if at all, will you draw the line?

[piper-from-camp]

Okay, now let's say that it's a restaurant that won't admit a mixed couple (or, even more relevant, a married gay couple). Is that okay as well? Where, if at all, will you draw the line?

Performing a ceremony of marriage between two gays would go against some people's beliefs. A gay couple going to a restaurent does not. There is a difference between having your property used to perform a 'marriage' and peopl eating.

[N. McKay]

Performing a ceremony of marriage between two gays would go against some people's beliefs. A gay couple going to a restaurent does not. There is a difference between having your property used to perform a 'marriage' and peopl eating.

I'm not sure that there is. In one case, your property is being used to do something you find unacceptable. In the other, your property is being used by people who are living in this way that you find unacceptable. (And let's keep in mind that no-one was asking the K of C to marry them; it was only the use of their building.)

Do you think it's appropriate for a restaurant owner to deny service to married gay couples?

[Chief Hoult]

In addition, they didn't even want the premises to have the wedding at, from my understanding, it was for the reception AFTER the wedding. I could be incorrect though.

CH

[Juice]

.............i dont like you.....
That really added to the discussion :rolleyes:

[piper-from-camp]

.............i dont like you.....

As an add on to my previous response, why don't ya'll form a club. Call it the "I don't like Piper club". It could be fun. As long as I get to join.

:p

[Chief Hoult]

As an add on to my previous response, why don't ya'll form a club. Call it the "I don't like Piper club". It could be fun. As long as I get to join.

:p

oh, oh, do we get big sticks? with nails? ;) lol

Nah, if people like piper weren't around, this forum would be boring :) Having to justify our own opinions keeps us all in check, and having to write them out makes sure that we actually understand our own opinions!

CH

[Kortytoh]

As an add on to my previous response, why don't ya'll form a club. Call it the "I don't like Piper club". It could be fun. As long as I get to join.

:p

Who are you, piper-from-camp?

I admire your resilient constancy in the face of multifaceted criticism. I'll sign on to the "I like Piper" club.

[piper-from-camp]

Who are you, piper-from-camp?

I admire your resilient constancy in the face of multifaceted criticism. I'll sign on to the "I like Piper" club.

I'm either a 40 year old man at his office who likes to talk to kids or a 12 year old weiner with 2 inch thick glasses and a list of porn site a mile long.

I prefer to keep my identity a secret, however there are a few people on this site (read one or two) who have met me....so seek them out and thou shall find thoust answer to thoust question.

"Quick boy wonder...its the bat signal. To the Batmobile!!!!"

[Preece]

As an add on to my previous response, why don't ya'll form a club. Call it the "I don't like Piper club". It could be fun. As long as I get to join.

:p


i dont like you thats that. just like you dont like gays... im not going to make a hate club...

[Chief Hoult]

Yes, but what we think about eachother is fairly irrelevent in this thread, and quite frankly, in this forum. Issues in this forum get discussed and debated. We may be on opposite sides here, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to go out and share a drink (of root beer) with anyone here on these forms -- regardless of whether we debate on the same or opposing sides.

CH

[DA Wright]

Do you think it's appropriate for a restaurant owner to deny service to married gay couples?

I don't see that as a fair comparison to what the KoC did. Try these:

Is appropriate for Curves for Women to deny service to male customers?

Would it be appropriate for a Jewish Community Centre to deny the use of their hall for an arian nation convention?

[Chief Hoult]

Is appropriate for Curves for Women to deny service to male customers?

Would it be appropriate for a Jewish Community Centre to deny the use of their hall for an arian nation convention?

If publically advertised with no prior stipulations - absolutley.

Curves advertises to women. It's fairly specific, really. It doesn't say, "Anyone can join!". If you publically advertise a hall for rent, it's not right, in my opinion, to deny it based on grounds such as orientation.

I can't deny a service publically advertised to blacks, hispanics, etc.

CH

[DA Wright]

So you'd be OK with a sign saying "Hall for rent - unless you're gay"?

[piper-from-camp]

i dont like you thats that. just like you dont like gays... im not going to make a hate club...

People..people. Wheres the love ya'll???? Where'd the love go???? I'm gonna cry ya'll...theres no more love man.

[piper-from-camp]

So you'd be OK with a sign saying "Hall for rent - unless you're gay"?

Why not. Theres going to be a multi-cultural breakfast thing in Ottawa the the coming week...and it has been made VERY clear that caucasians are not welcome nor invited, unless they are invited by a (non-caucasian) guest. If they can do it why not the rest of us? I'm serious about this...I almost peed my pants when I heard about it.

[The Blue Tory]

this has probably been said before but, this thread title should be changed. The Supreme Court did NOT "ok" it. They simply relayed this to parliament.

I think this topic name should be changed, because it is truly fraudulent...

[Preece]

People..people. Wheres the love ya'll???? Where'd the love go???? I'm gonna cry ya'll...theres no more love man.


yah where is the love? i wonder.......

cry cry cry

[Loyal Edmonton]

Why not. Theres going to be a multi-cultural breakfast thing in Ottawa the the coming week...and it has been made VERY clear that caucasians are not welcome nor invited, unless they are invited by a (non-caucasian) guest. If they can do it why not the rest of us? I'm serious about this...I almost peed my pants when I heard about it.

That irks me, same as the Black Entertainment Television network, i mean i am all in favour of the concept, but if you are going to allow someone to have that, why not have a White Entertainment Television network, its only fair right? Same situation in my school, we have a native liason for the native kids, where is my white liason?

[wb256]

That irks me, same as the Black Entertainment Television network, i mean i am all in favour of the concept, but if you are going to allow someone to have that, why not have a White Entertainment Television network, its only fair right? Same situation in my school, we have a native liason for the native kids, where is my white liason?


Because "black" in the USA is an ethnic identity (there's a common history of slavery, etc that falls outside of a predominant culture), whereas white is just a colour.

They have a variety of television shows, festivals, halls, clubs, etc built around white ethnic groups.

The reasoning for a first nations (native americans is a term from the USA, canada's aboriginal population prefers the terms first nations, inuit and metis) liason is that there's special needs due to the fact that these people came from a culture completely different than yours and have problems completely different than yours, and special adjustments need to be made so they can have any HOPE of succeeding in our white world.

EVERYTHING is white. This world is designed for white people, by white people. Our entire world is a heterosexual pride parade.

The reason why people frown upon the idea of such things as a white power parade, is because the only concievable reason for one is to promote racism and continue the status quo where whites oppress all others (which is STILL the pattern within our society, and the world at large). A black power movement is viewed as attempts to better ones people collectivly, as opposed to a bunch of crazed eugenics believers who want to maintain a status quo that is quite clearly immoral and wrong.

[AMerrall]

That irks me, same as the Black Entertainment Television network, i mean i am all in favour of the concept, but if you are going to allow someone to have that, why not have a White Entertainment Television network, its only fair right? Same situation in my school, we have a native liason for the native kids, where is my white liason?

A White Entertainment Television network, eh? OK, I'm game for that. You know why? Because you have a right to start one if you want to - section 2 of the Charter says you do. So go ahead, start a network for yourself. There is no law stopping you.

On the other hand, there are still laws that bar homosexual couples (in some localities) from getting married - that is the issue here.

And as for the liaison issue, Warren handled that one pretty well. You don't seem to give any reason as to why you need a "White Liaison." Deal with it and move on.

[N. McKay]

I don't see that as a fair comparison to what the KoC did. Try these:

Is appropriate for Curves for Women to deny service to male customers?

I'll tell you this: I wouldn't belong to a men's club that wouldn't allow women as members.


Would it be appropriate for a Jewish Community Centre to deny the use of their hall for an arian nation convention?

That one muddies the waters a bit, in that there's a potential hate crimes issue involved.

[piper-from-camp]

That irks me, same as the Black Entertainment Television network, i mean i am all in favour of the concept, but if you are going to allow someone to have that, why not have a White Entertainment Television network, its only fair right? Same situation in my school, we have a native liason for the native kids, where is my white liason?

Because its ok to be racist in today's society as long as you direct your prejudice against white, heterosexual, christian males.

[Towns]

Because its ok to be racist in today's society as long as you direct your prejudice against white, heterosexual, christian males.

You have to admit, it's not entirely unjustified. The white, heterosexual christian male has been at the top of the pyramid for quite some time, and now we have arrived at the uncomfortable point of backlash where everyone else goes "Hey, those white heterosexual christian males have been screwing us!"

(Not saying that I'm a huge fan of being "punished" for any of my misogynist/ racist ancestors, just saying that I can see WHY it happens.)

[Chief Hoult]

So you'd be OK with a sign saying "Hall for rent - unless you're gay"?

Nope, but Curves doesn't advertise as, "Gym -- Not for Men", they advertise as a Women's Only Gym.

KoC didn't rent because it was against their beliefs, so they could do something along the lines of, "Hall for Rent for Catholic-friendly Activities" or such thing. Sound stupid? I think so. But if you're going to advertise publically, but you don't WANT anyone in the public to rent it, start making stipulations.

CH

[Ching]

Nope, but Curves doesn't advertise as, "Gym -- Not for Men", they advertise as a Women's Only Gym.

KoC didn't rent because it was against their beliefs, so they could do something along the lines of, "Hall for Rent for Catholic-friendly Activities"
"Catholic Community Centre"
"Catholic Banquet Hall"


Those don't sound so discriminatory...but they get the point across subtly. ;)

[Chief Hoult]

There we go, things like that :)

[AMerrall]

Because its ok to be racist in today's society as long as you direct your prejudice against white, heterosexual, christian males.

No matter how much I have disagreed with you in the past (and will in the future ;)), I have to concede that you have a point here. Affirmative Action is a pendulum, and presently it is swinging quite far to the side of the minority. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for equality, but I do believe that it has gone a bit far lately. I don't think it has gotten to the point of racism against the white, heterosexual male, though.

[N. McKay]

You have to admit, it's not entirely unjustified. The white, heterosexual christian male has been at the top of the pyramid for quite some time, and now we have arrived at the uncomfortable point of backlash where everyone else goes "Hey, those white heterosexual christian males have been screwing us!"

The important detail that's usually forgotten in this issue is that the "white, heterosexual, christian male" is not one homogenous entity, but rather millions of individual people, most of whom are less than 70 years old. No-one should suffer, or benefit, from the actions of his or her ancestors simply by virtue of his or her race, religion, or sexual preference.

[Juice]

The important detail that's usually forgotten in this issue is that the "white, heterosexual, christian male" is not one homogenous entity, but rather millions of individual people, most of whom are less than 70 years old. No-ons should suffer, or benefit, from the actions of his or her ancestors simply by virtue of his or her race, religion, or sexual preference.
True, it may not be justified, but one can see the reasoning behind it.

[Towns]

True, it may not be justified, but one can see the reasoning behind it.


That would be a lot closer to what I meant than what I wrote.

[Juice]

That would be a lot closer to what I meant than what I wrote.
Don't worry, we forgive you...............




:p

[Loyal Edmonton]

Don't worry, we forgive you...............




:p

I dunno, should i forgive him?

[Towns]

I dunno, should i forgive him?



...yes.


{This is me filling out the character limit...So, anyone from out of town?}

[Loyal Edmonton]

...yes.


{This is me filling out the character limit...So, anyone from out of town?}

I am from Beaverlopdge!!

[Towns]

I am from Beaverlopdge!!


...don't come to ME with your problems.

[Loyal Edmonton]

...don't come to ME with your problems.

No, I would say that you have many more problems than I do, you live in Winnepeg!

[Towns]

No, I would say that you have many more problems than I do, you live in Winnepeg!


Hey, Winnipeg has a lot of stuff...like cold. And murders. And Slurpees.



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[Loyal Edmonton]

Hey, Winnipeg has a lot of stuff...like cold. And murders. And Slurpees.

Beaverlodge just has cold and slurpees!

[Towns]

What does any of this have to do with same sex marriages?

[Loyal Edmonton]

What does any of this have to do with same sex marriages?

The fact that they will never happen in Beaverlodge?

[piper-from-camp]

You have to admit, it's not entirely unjustified. The white, heterosexual christian male has been at the top of the pyramid for quite some time, and now we have arrived at the uncomfortable point of backlash where everyone else goes "Hey, those white heterosexual christian males have been screwing us!"

(Not saying that I'm a huge fan of being "punished" for any of my misogynist/ racist ancestors, just saying that I can see WHY it happens.)

Justified racism? Kinda hypocritical don't you think? But no, my school has a 'minority' liason when in reality I'M the honest-to-goodness minority in my school now. We have BET, and Black/Somali/Arab community centers/gyms but watch what happens if you set up a WhiteET or maybye a White Community Center...your suddenly a racist.

[wb256]

Because its ok to be racist in today's society as long as you direct your prejudice against white, heterosexual, christian males.


I admit, this does exist to SOME extent. It's slightly more socially acceptable to make racist comments about white people.

However, I don't think there's a real problem of equity or equality here, it's just a difference in terms of acceptability in off colour humour.

[wb256]

Justified racism? Kinda hypocritical don't you think? But no, my school has a 'minority' liason when in reality I'M the honest-to-goodness minority in my school now. We have BET, and Black/Somali/Arab community centers/gyms but watch what happens if you set up a WhiteET or maybye a White Community Center...your suddenly a racist.


I've explained this. Their community centers arn't based on race, they're based upon ethnic identity. Black (within north america) is used to signify the ethnic group of slaves brought over to pick cotton.

A white community center would be racist, set up for the purpose of promoting genetic superiority. A black community center is there to celebrate black culture, etc.

There are numerous German community centers, ukranian community centers, polish halls, etc in my town. They're not labelled as racist.

I don't think you fully comprehend the concept of ethnic identity. If you did, you'd realize that this isn't a issue of anti-white racism, but a far more complex issue than you're making it out to be.

[quadrapiper]

No matter how much I have disagreed with you in the past (and will in the future ;)), I have to concede that you have a point here. Affirmative Action is a pendulum, and presently it is swinging quite far to the side of the minority. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for equality, but I do believe that it has gone a bit far lately. I don't think it has gotten to the point of racism against the white, heterosexual male, though.Affirmative Action has, in its current incarnation, very little to do with equality, and far more with ensuring that x% of black kids get into post-secondary. This is achieved through a quota system, if I remember correctly, and is (I believe) under review.




Originally Posted by piper-from-camp
Because its ok to be racist in today's society as long as you direct your prejudice against white, heterosexual, christian males.

I admit, this does exist to SOME extent. It's slightly more socially acceptable to make racist comments about white people.

However, I don't think there's a real problem of equity or equality here, it's just a difference in terms of acceptability in off colour humour.And in who is laughing at the off-colour humour... make some sort of dig about the white, christian male, and almost everyone will laugh... including myself... a white male (two out of three...)...

Warren, agreed re: ethnic/cultural versus racial. White, unlike Black, means very little, culturally...

[wb256]

no, affirmative action programs are not there to promote equality, all races and ethnic groups already have that before the law. They're in place to promote EQUITY. That is, removing the racial line from our current standards of living.

As it stands, white christian males make the most money. This is clearly not simply an issue of white males "working harder". There's a BILLION social factors which contribute to the formation of these colour lines within income levels (which, regretably, cannot be combated directly by the government).

Affirmative action seems to be the only way to currently fight it.

The same line exists between genders.

[N. McKay]

Affirmative action seems to be the only way to currently fight it.

No, just the easiest.

Another way would be to make hiring decisions more trasparent, exposing any backroom old-boys-club etc. issues to the light, and thereby drying them up. But it's easier to set quotas and leave it at that.

[quadrapiper]

As it stands, white christian males make the most money. This is clearly not simply an issue of white males "working harder". There's a BILLION social factors which contribute to the formation of these colour lines within income levels (which, regretably, cannot be combated directly by the government).The most important of these factors being historical chance; I don't think that, with certain small and loathsome exceptions (at least in Canada - voices from south of the 49th, feel free to butt in) there is any need to make some sort of special effort or allowance to get black (or whatever) kids into post-secondary... perhaps an across-the-board effort to help persons below a given income... if all persons are, as you said, equal under the law, then affirmative action is counter-intuitive. Let ability stand on its own, keep discrimanatory barriers from appearing, and otherwise let things settle as they may. Perhaps a more effective and equal answer would be a colour-blind "education for the urban poor" program... if I am missing some key feature of AA, please provide info...

Affirmative action seems to be the only way to currently fight it.See above...

The same line exists between genders.Yes, and women seem to have done quite well, more or less unaided - from non-"persons" under the law to taking full and raucous part in Canadian politics in (correct me if I'm wrong) under a century... not bad, on a historical scale.

[wb256]

Yes, women have equal rights, equality. The current battle is for equity.

It's what I just explained.

The fact that there is a disproportionate amount of single women, blacks, hispanics and native americans that fall within the category of "poor" is viewed as unacceptable. I believe that it is as well, and certain issues need to be taken to ensure their success in society.

A great deal of racism still exists within the private sector of both canadian and american society (don't believe me, watch a native american, with a cree accent, try to get a job without being treated like a drunk), and laws like these are necessary to ensure that such racism does not have a detrimental effect on certain groups of people.

[piper-from-camp]

Affirmative action seems to be the only way to currently fight it.

Which as often as not will have you ending up with a group of people who, while being 'equal' in terms of race/sex representation, are under-qualified for a job. It sounds like your typical reaction, but its true. Thats what happens. A qualified or overqualified white male will be passed over in favour of say, a black single female who is not as qualified. I find that to be a problem. It should be best ma (or woman) for the job.

[wb256]

Which as often as not will have you ending up with a group of people who, while being 'equal' in terms of race/sex representation, are under-qualified for a job. It sounds like your typical reaction, but its true. Thats what happens. A qualified or overqualified white male will be passed over in favour of say, a black single female who is not as qualified. I find that to be a problem. It should be best ma (or woman) for the job.


That is an issue, yes...but how do you combat the racial and gender inequities that exist today? They have been equal legally for quite some time now, yet the divisions in income, quality of life, political involvement (there's a disproportionatly low # of women and racial minorities involved in politics, corperate managment, etc) have changed very little.

I realize that this does have it's negative setbacks, but something needs to be done to add pride to these communities. There's a huge cycle of poverty that exists along racial lines that needs to be addressed.

Also, despite claims that numerous white christian heterosexual males are being turned down because they're underqualified...I have yet to see any actual substantial proof of this.

I realize that the potential is there, but as I said before, where's the actual proof? Also, due to the small numbers of quotas for hiring minority individuals, does it actually have THAT large of an impact on the lives of most white, heterosexual males?

[N. McKay]

That is an issue, yes...but how do you combat the racial and gender inequities that exist today? They have been equal legally for quite some time now, yet the divisions in income, quality of life, political involvement (there's a disproportionatly low # of women and racial minorities involved in politics, corperate managment, etc) have changed very little.

There's an element of free will at play here, especially when you're talking about the involvement of women in politics.

And these things have changed substantially, even in my lifetime. I can see the difference just over the last 20 years.

[quadrapiper]

Really, (at least in Canada), things seem to be at the stage where anyone with the capabilities can get pretty much whatever job they want... women might still have to kick and backstab a bit harder, but even that is decreasing in academia, business, and politics... on that last one, politics, I very much doubt that the low numbers are because of major barriers being placed in the way of interested women. I mean, I'd be worried if the current crop of sitting female politicians were a disproportionately small percentage of female politicians who ran for office, but that doesn't seem to be the way things are.

[piper-from-camp]

That is an issue, yes...but how do you combat the racial and gender inequities that exist today? They have been equal legally for quite some time now, yet the divisions in income, quality of life, political involvement (there's a disproportionatly low # of women and racial minorities involved in politics, corperate managment, etc) have changed very little.

I realize that this does have it's negative setbacks, but something needs to be done to add pride to these communities. There's a huge cycle of poverty that exists along racial lines that needs to be addressed.

Also, despite claims that numerous white christian heterosexual males are being turned down because they're underqualified...I have yet to see any actual substantial proof of this.

I realize that the potential is there, but as I said before, where's the actual proof? Also, due to the small numbers of quotas for hiring minority individuals, does it actually have THAT large of an impact on the lives of most white, heterosexual males?

What inequalities? Don't use the "its because I'm balck right?" bull**** argument on me if your not adequate for the job. Theres white people living on the street as bums and black women (for example) making millions. What inequality, I ask again? Thats a load of you know what.

[wb256]

Watch a native with a Cree accent go to find a job.

Obviously some people can attain jobs, but there's a large amount of racism present in today's society.

Inequity (not inequality). Look at average income levels based upon ethnicity.

The illusion that all it takes is a little hard work is complete garbage. They have equality on paper as far as the government is concerned, but in the private sector (where it counts for the majority of jobs) this does not exist.

Affirmative action is merely the government compensating for disadvantages present in the private sector.

[AMerrall]

What inequalities? Don't use the "its because I'm balck right?" bull**** argument on me if your not adequate for the job. Theres white people living on the street as bums and black women (for example) making millions. What inequality, I ask again? Thats a load of you know what.

And there are black women living on the street and white men making millions. What's your point? I agreed with you to a point, Piper, but making out the white man as the oppressed takes it too far.

Mr. Bernauer makes an excellent point.

[Boosey]

Hey, apparently the "Simpsons" Springfield is goign to legalize gay marriage. Does this mean that some people will stop watching the Simpsons because of this? Do you think that this will help or harm the gay marriage cause in Canada and the United States?

[Neo]

Hey, apparently the "Simpsons" Springfield is goign to legalize gay marriage. Does this mean that some people will stop watching the Simpsons because of this? Do you think that this will help or harm the gay marriage cause in Canada and the United States?

I have heard that as well, I don't think it will have much affect up here; or down south either.

Both sides are firmly entrenched in their positions, and I don't think the Simpsons will change that, it might swing unsure people either way, and thats a big big might.

Eric Idle's position on Gay Marriange is quite brilliant... "It's about time they suffered too." :p

[wb256]

Eric Idle is a genius

[Preece]

just to add on, im not saying anymore then this....go to this site and actually read it, and read the questionnaire and answer the questions.....just think......pretend your in homosexuals shoes........after, try replacing the word "heterosexual" with "homosexual"...how different is it??? they are asked the same questions all the time...if you get offended by the questions...then...oh well...

im not trying to start anything i swear, i just wanted to bring this to your attention...see if it makes you think twice.

http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3325&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=

[Lt(N) Jean Cyr]

Eric Idle is a genius

He is. I met him here in Victoria about 10 years ago at a local restaurant. He's very charming in person :)

J

[quadrapiper]

just to add on, im not saying anymore then this....go to this site and actually read it, and read the questionnaire and answer the questions.....just think......pretend your in homosexuals shoes........after, try replacing the word "heterosexual" with "homosexual"...how different is it??? they are asked the same questions all the time...if you get offended by the questions...then...oh well...

im not trying to start anything i swear, i just wanted to bring this to your attention...see if it makes you think twice.

http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3325&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o= Excellent quiz, Preece...

[AMerrall]

just to add on, im not saying anymore then this....go to this site and actually read it, and read the questionnaire and answer the questions.....just think......pretend your in homosexuals shoes........after, try replacing the word "heterosexual" with "homosexual"...how different is it??? they are asked the same questions all the time...if you get offended by the questions...then...oh well...

im not trying to start anything i swear, i just wanted to bring this to your attention...see if it makes you think twice.

http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3325&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=

That made my day...excellent post.

[wb256]

They used the same Quiz during my Ally training session earlier this year.

It's quite witty.

[Preece]

thanks guys.

[Boosey]

I know I'm reviving and old topic, but I thought I'd share with you a few passages in the Bible:

Well, I wanted to find the part about homosexuality being bad. And I did. Leviticus 18:22 (Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman). But there is only one measly line referred to it. But I find it funny in Leviticus 19:20 it says "Do not wear clothing woven of two different fabrics." Does that mean that God hates it more when you wear bi-woven clothes than when you have sex with a man??? Is an update to the bible probably necessary?? I think so. If you don't agree with me, you better hope that you're not wearing 50% cotton 50% polyester clothes, or you're in the same boat as me!!

[Barbie]

I'm just gonna sit back and wait and see what happens. I'm not necessarily in favour of it, but I'm not against it either. Let's just say I'm indifferent. On the fence leaning towards the approval side. ;)

I am kind of mutual with Juice here so I'll sit back as well and watch you guys beat this horse into the ground. ;)

:beathorse: Yay!

[Lt(N) Deck]

Do you realize that this thread has been dead for almost 2 years? :)


KD

[Juice]

Barbie, if you're not going to make a useful point, then don't drudge up two year old threads.

JB