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Laredo
9th December 2004, 05:14
[From Halifax Herald - 4 Dec 04]
TIM KROCHAK / Staff
Vitaly Bondarenko looks off as his son Vasily, 6, is helped aboard the family sailboat by his wife Marina at the Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron in Halifax. The Russian couple and their two children were hoping to stay in Canada but immigration officials have said they must leave by Dec. 14.

Vitaly Bondarenko sailed the world for 14 years in at least four different boats. He's ready to stop here, but Canadian immigration officials say he and his family must leave.

On July 28, Mr. Bondarenko, wife Marina and sons Ivan, 11, and Vasily, 6, arrived in Shelburne from Bermuda aboard the Viajero. They cleared customs and immigration, receiving crew-status visas, and proceeded to Halifax.

Since then the family has been docked at the Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron, living on the boat.

"We had a dream to stay in Canada," he said. "We knew this wasn't the right way, but we thought we'd be able to stay when we saw people were looking for immigrants, for official engineers and other things."

In Russia, Mr. Bondarenko was a professor and scientist. He has a PhD in mechanical engineering with a specialty in vibration noise analysis. His wife was an English teacher in Russia.

But at various times they've also worked as teachers, labourers and even dressmakers.

"If we were absolutely without money, I took any job to survive," he said. "But in all those years, no one had to support us."

On Nov. 4, he contacted immigration officials about staying. He was told he would have to leave the country, and his visa was closed and passport taken.

If he didn't leave Canada by Dec. 14, he was told, the family would be deported to Russia.

Mr. Bondarenko said he understands that he must leave but is worried that sailing at this time of year will be dangerous.

Considering his sailing experience, for him to be anxious speaks volumes.

He and his wife left Russia in 1991 and sailed to the United States in a homemade 7.8-metre steel boat with no engine and no navigational tools, "not even a sextant," he said.

After several years of work in the Maryland area and after the birth of Ivan, the family set sail for Australia, where Vasily was born.

They crossed the Pacific in a boat Mr. Bondarenko bought from a scrapyard for $500. He said people sometimes have a hard time imagining that.

"I have the bill of sale," he said. "We keep it for memories because no one believes how you can cross the Pacific on a boat you bought for $500."

The family lived in other countries and had another child, a daughter. She was born with a heart condition and Down syndrome, so the family put her up for adoption in the belief that was best for her. She now lives in Florida.

While in Halifax, Mr. Bondarenko has tried looking for work at universities as a lecturer but has had little luck. He is frustrated with the process.

"I can give profit to Canada," he said.

"I can work here, my wife can work here. We don't need anything from Canada except permission to stay here."

Lee Cohen, a lawyer specializing in immigration and human rights, said that instead of being forced out to sea, the Bondarenkos need help and understanding from Immigration Canada.

"He doesn't really have a home in Russia to which he could return," he said of Mr. Bondarenko.

"His home is really his boat."

Mr. Cohen said Mr. Bondarenko is just the kind of immigrant the provincial and federal governments want.

"He's a professional, he's very well-spoken, he's very bright, very likable and very employable," Mr. Cohen said.

He said the family's predicament could be solved easily.

"We're talking five months and then he's able to go back to sea," he said. "He has the financial ability to support himself and his family."

But Immigration Canada is not on board with Mr. Cohen's views.

"If an individual is under a removal order, they are expected to leave Canada by a specified date," said Bryan Amadore, spokesman for the Canada Border Services Agency.

He isn't concerned with the possibility of the Viajero encountering rough weather as it sails to Bermuda.

"It's not Citizenship and Immigration Canada or the Canada Border Services Agency that determines the method that they leave Canada," he said.

Mr. Amadore said that because a removal order has been issued, there is no way for Immigration Canada to help the Bondarenkos remain in Halifax.

He wouldn't comment on whether Mr. Bondarenko fits the profile of the kind of immigrant the province is seeking.

What's next for the Bondarenkos?

The family planned to leave well in advance of the government deadline, setting sail for Bermuda this morning in hopes of avoiding bad weather.

Mr. Bondarenko said he is worried about a storm expected on the East Coast next week.

But he still wants to settle in Canada somehow, someday.

"We travelled 14 years and I met a lot of people, a lot of nationalities," he said. "Like all nationalities, some people are good and some bad, but I never met a bad Canadian."

mbabenko
9th December 2004, 05:44
Oh well, the guy has tough luck. I'm from Russia myself and I know how it works. I bet I'd be asked to get the hell out too were I not Jewish. Anyways, if the guy's from Ukraine, however (and in 1991, Ukraine was still a part of USSR and thus Russia), he may as well give it up right now because they have an agreement with Canada to deport all immigrants, which really sucks for him.

Laredo
9th December 2004, 09:01
Well, this past week found the Minister of Citizenship & Immigration on the hotseat in the House of Commons for allowing the immigration of "exotic dancers" from Romania, who coincidentally helped her during her election campaign.

Now here we have a family of two professionals - an engineering professor and an English teacher, along with their children - who may be forced to set sail in the North Atlantic in the beginning of winter.

gunzgirl85
9th December 2004, 14:57
I dont understand at all the immigration process...this seems very silly to me to turn around ppl who are an asset to society :mad:
If i were them i would find some nice church to live in untill the weather clears..although sailing through the atlantic isn't the best lol..especially out of the maritimes!

jhunter
9th December 2004, 15:08
I can not see any reason why a deportation order was made, or is required. Canada often allows landed immigrant status to trades a lot less important then professor.

The good thing is, he can return in January and try again, hopefully this time with an customs/immigration worker that has more then a Grade 3 education.

ARMY101
9th December 2004, 15:15
Can they not claim Refugee status or apply for Citizenship?

Earlam
9th December 2004, 15:37
I don't think we'd be accepting refugees from the Ukraine. It's a democratic, reasonably wealthy country, with as far as I know, no major problems that aren't found commonly elsewhere (except the recent election, and that probably isn't grounds for refugee status).

As for citizenship..... I'm sure they could apply, but probably not after they were ordered out. The try-again idea is probably the best if they want to remain in Canada long-term.

I personally don't see why this order was issued. He's obviously going to be a productive member of society (if he's a university professor willing to work as a common labourer rather than go on welfare, I'd want him as my neighbour). I don't see how he or his family would drain on Canadian society at all. As far as I can tell, there would only be advantages to letting him in.
But I guess I'm not running Immigrations.

mbabenko
9th December 2004, 15:46
Well, Canada treats refugees much better then Australia does so, it could be worse. Now if they send them away, the guy will obviously not sail back to Russia and if he came from USA, THEY HAVE TO DEPORT HIM TO THE COUNTRY HE CAME FROM (Which happens to be US). Now, what would US do? The guy doesn't have a Russian passport... he's got an old USSR one that he hasn't updated since 1991 and has probably lost his citizenship. Where would they deport him anyways?

Lt(N) Jean Cyr
9th December 2004, 16:46
On July 28, Mr. Bondarenko, wife Marina and sons Ivan, 11, and Vasily, 6, arrived in Shelburne from Bermuda aboard the Viajero. They cleared customs and immigration, receiving crew-status visas, and proceeded to Halifax.

Since then the family has been docked at the Royal Nova Scotia Yacht Squadron, living on the boat.

"We had a dream to stay in Canada," he said. "We knew this wasn't the right way, but we thought we'd be able to stay ..."

On Nov. 4, he contacted immigration officials about staying. He was told he would have to leave the country, and his visa was closed and passport taken.

....."he's very bright" Mr. Cohen said.

I would have thought someone so educated and "bright" would have taken action to secure his family a home in July, rather than November!


The family lived in other countries and had another child, a daughter. She was born with a heart condition and Down syndrome, so the family put her up for adoption in the belief that was best for her.

Nice .... :( and totally relative to the story LOL


Mr. Bondarenko said he understands that he must leave but is worried that sailing at this time of year will be dangerous.

He and his wife left Russia in 1991 and sailed to the United States in a homemade 7.8-metre steel boat with no engine and no navigational tools, "not even a sextant," he (Bondarenko) said.

I think they'll be fine :)

J

PS - should this man be allowed to stay in Canada?

http://www.jeremyhinzman.net/

<Pilot_in_Command>
9th December 2004, 18:46
I say yes, take them in, he's an engineer!

Here's the plan, we let all smart people emigrate(sp) from other countries into Canada who have PhDs and Masters, and Bacholer's of <something useful>. That way, the Canadian goverment doesn't have to subsidize their education, thereby saving Canadian tax payer loads of money! (It's even better if we steal doctors from other countries because of our crisis :D) And the good thing about it? These immigrants are willing to work for a fraction of the price that we normally would expect if we weren't immigrants :D. Low pay, high productivity, highly educated!

/cynical, but also true

Earlam
10th December 2004, 07:36
PS - should this man be allowed to stay in Canada?

http://www.jeremyhinzman.net/


Absolutely not.

He was not conscripted, he enlisted himself. He made a choice, and now he must deal with the consequences.

If he doesn't like what he signed on to -- tough.

Pilot
10th December 2004, 07:38
absolutly ludicrous...

We've let others with way less education and who could potentially contribute way less to society immigrate to Canada..

There are so many illegals around, and yet someone who wants to come to Canada legitimately we won't allow in??

Bizarre..

Wood
10th December 2004, 08:18
Whether or not you recognize his right to stay, I think he has the right to live. Immigration should have specific policies that deal with giving ultimatums that involve the possibility of death on one hand and grevious personal loss on the other when a third option is simply common sense. Stupid Beauracracy.... Let him stay until the seas are calm and safe. A simple wording like when an individual means to provide their own personal transport out of Canada by means of plane or boat or even land, that they already own. An extension of the deportation order must be given if the weather poses a threat to the mortality of the individual if they were to depart prior to the deadline.

mbabenko
11th December 2004, 17:52
No, if he doesn't leave, they'll deport him themselves.... to US though as they did to many Ukrainians that came from US.

Neo
12th December 2004, 13:46
HALIFAX - A Russian couple and their two sons who had been told they must leave Canada by Tuesday have been granted a last-minute reprieve.

Vitaly Bondarenko, 56, his wife, Marina, and their sons Ivan 11, and Vasily, 6, will be allowed to stay in the country until June.

They have been living on their sailboat in Halifax since the summer and were hoping to immigrate to Canada. But officials told them they had to leave the country in order to apply.

The Bondarenkos were ready to set sail Sunday morning, two days ahead of the deadline set by immigration authorities.

But a phone call saved the family from sailing out into the rough North Atlantic water.

The sail was up, the boat's engine was running and they were about to raise anchor when their lawyer, Lee Cohen, climbed aboard and told them of a last-minute deal to allow them to stay longer.

With the family potentially facing stormy winter conditions, immigration officials decided to allow them to stay until June.

"The news is very, very good," said Cohen. "We couldn't ask for better news. It's like a miracle for the Bondarenko family." An exhausted Vitaly Bondarenko said he's very grateful. "Thank you for immigration, for media, for people, who tried to help us."

The Bondarenkos say they'll spend the winter in Lunenberg, where they'll likely stay in a cottage.

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Perhaps Immigration has a bit (a very very tiny bit) of sense. I personally think we should let the family stay, they have proven they have the ability to provide for themselves, and in my opinion, an excellent example to many Canadians who decide not to work, and live off the Government.

whitefang
12th December 2004, 13:54
what do you figure they will do until june? they can't really get jobs, can they?