forget about the arctic

[grass_roots]

haha, I found this amusing considering the recent disussion on arctic patrolls

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/turksandcaicos/

to be honest, I have no clue what to make of this, lol, just wierd

[Neo]

Agreed, I don't even understand why this is an issue, TROPICAL ISLANDS WANT TO BE PART OF CANADA!!! It's great.. lets go for it.

I mean, who in their right mind would be against this. It's an a great place:

There are no rebellions of any sorts.
Minimal Crime
The government is in good financial status.
Agreeable climate.
If they were to join, we would have a Tropical Paradise that uses Canadian Currency and we wouldn't need passports.

Plus, it would add a little freshness to Canadian Politics. :D

[TBird]

Hey conciedering the Danes are trying to take one of our islands, I figure we should take another one down there balance it all out. Every one will be ahppy, we'll have a settles island and the Danish will have a big rock in the cold... Just like home.

[SLt T. Clausen]

I can just see the premier speaking to CBC and instead of replying with "that's correct," he/she would reply with "yah mon" (DISCLAIMER: ok, I apologize for the stereotyping of jamaican accents. I also am aware that the Turks etc. are not really near Jamaica at all)!

[DVessey]

The turks and caicos would be a great addition! :)

All government conferences would get moved down there... we'd have to set up a military base down there... and why not move parliament down there while we're at it? :D

seriously though, I really don't see how this could be a bad thing.

[Thib]

How would the Island choose to join the confederation? With a referendum? if so with what % do we accept them? Let's not forget that if we let them join at 50% we should also let a province leave the confedertion at 50%. Or would a vote of the Turks parlement be enaught to let them join. Or would a pro-confederation government justify and legetimate the action. The rules that we set for them to join should be the same that apply to a province that want to leave.

[Neo]

The turks and caicos would be a great addition! :)

All government conferences would get moved down there... we'd have to set up a military base down there... and why not move parliament down there while we're at it? :D

seriously though, I really don't see how this could be a bad thing.

Not to mention we would need to create a CSTC down there as well, :D

[Logan]

Technically they don't want to become a province they want to be annexed by Canada which esentially mean they want to become a territory. as for joining i believe that if another country wants to join canada it should have a referendum and have the same majority as a seperation vote which, someone correct me if i'm wrong, is 70% i believe, that may be wrong but still. any way easy way to figure it out is look at how new foundland and labrador joined beck in 49.

[piper]

Look out world, here comes Canada, the new imperial power. I'm having visions of battalions of Canadians marching all over the world to the beat of the Maple Leaf Forever.

http://cwd.ptbcanadian.com/index2.html

[N. McKay]

and have the same majority as a seperation vote which, someone correct me if i'm wrong, is 70% i believe, that may be wrong but still. any way easy way to figure it out is look at how new foundland and labrador joined beck in 49.

There's no set percentage requirted in a referendum if a province wants to separate.

[Earlam]

I wonder how taxes are down there, and what they would be like under Canadian rule......

Good news! We don't have to launch a thermo-nuclear weapon at Denmark!
(Well, we still could if we felt the overpowering desire to nuke somebody, and we should still protect our territorial integrity..... but I think we'll all be too busy sipping tequila on the beach to bother with unimportant things like The Apocalypse and such....)

[Logan]

There's no set percentage requirted in a referendum if a province wants to separate.
well then why didn't quebec seperate back when they had their referendums. if there is no set percentage they could have split back when that happened.

[N. McKay]

well then why didn't quebec seperate back when they had their referendums. if there is no set percentage they could have split back when that happened.

Quebecers voted to stay in Canada both times.

[LCdr Gene Fedderly]

There's no set percentage requirted in a referendum if a province wants to separate.True, but there is the Clarity Act, 2000 which requires that any referendum question be free from ambiguity and that, in order to be considered valid, any referendum must represent a clear expression of a will by a clear majority of the population of a province that the province cease to be part of Canada

[sailor_baby]

I'm all up for that!!! :D of course the curreny would be changed, but other than that.....there doesn't seem to be too many cons......


and as for a CSTC there....I'll definately be applying......Great place to sail :D

[N. McKay]

True, but there is the Clarity Act, 2000 which requires that any referendum question be free from ambiguity and that, in order to be considered valid, any referendum must represent a clear expression of a will by a clear majority of the population of a province that the province cease to be part of Canada

Yes, but the $64,000 question is "what is a clear majority?", and no-one's quite nailed that one down yet. It might have been better for Parliament to set a definite threshold, such as the 70% suggested by Mr. Logan, but I had the impression that the government of the day didn't want to make it quite so black and white.

[Thib]

Yes, but the $64,000 question is "what is a clear majority?", and no-one's quite nailed that one down yet. It might have been better for Parliament to set a definite threshold, such as the 70% suggested by Mr. Logan, but I had the impression that the government of the day didn't want to make it quite so black and white.

The probleme with a definit threshold is where to put the line. At 60% the majority of the population want to leave, so you would make people stay agains their will because it ain't clear enaugh for the federal government?

I am only asking a question and I am not taking position because I don't know wich one to take. On one side, it make it harder for a province to leave Canada but on the other I was told a democracy goes 50%+1 and you win. And the clearity question was never a question when the result are on the side of the federal government. Even if conscription won by a clear majority in 1942, the question of what % of the population needed to vote yes was never ask, and the samke thing happen for Nfld in 1949.

[TBird]

Technically they don't want to become a province they want to be annexed by Canada which esentially mean they want to become a territory.

I would bet that by 2020 there will be no more territories in Canada (Yk wants to be a Prov, NWT is leening towards it, and then I'm assuming Nu would wanna fit in), plus they'de need jurisdiction over things Territories do not. Their only option would to be a Province unless they really are willing to abandon everything they have now to recieve a totally new, Canadian-Federal Infastructure.

[N. McKay]

The probleme with a definit threshold is where to put the line. At 60% the majority of the population want to leave, so you would make people stay agains their will because it ain't clear enaugh for the federal government?

I am only asking a question and I am not taking position because I don't know wich one to take. On one side, it make it harder for a province to leave Canada but on the other I was told a democracy goes 50%+1 and you win.

But in a democracy you can't simply ingore the other 49% of the population. It's about compromise and, in those rare circumstances in which it can be achieved, consensus.

There's also the practical question of how badly you'd want to start a new country with almost half of the population opposed to the very idea.

Of course, it should be very hard for a province to leave confederation. There's more at stake than the province itself, and an argument could even be made that the remainder of the country should be allowed to vote as well.

[Flyguy]

Not to mention we would need to create a CSTC down there as well, :D

Damn rights we do...with an RGS!! (for the purposes of practicing circuit procedures and t/o and landing procedures of course...)