Animal Rights Animal Wrongs

[lord_rupert]

Place for debating all issues around this topic.
Following on from the weaponry debate:

Am I cruel to enjoy shooting game? - bearing in mind any game shot by our family or guests will then be served fresh for supper.
I have always considered myself an animal lover, yet I hunt & shoot (see other threads), I also ride and we keep 10 dogs at home. My father owns the family farm where we keep sheep, cattle & pigs.

Does this make me a slavemaster as PETA would have me known as

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ROO :)

[wb256]

Just in my personal opinion, organizations like PETA are just a part of that "trendy rebellion" crap. Also, they guilt people into joining their cause...not cool.

Anyways, I'd say if you beat your animals and force them to live in squalid conditions, then yeah, you're a slave master. But if you treat your animals with respect, keep them clean and well fed, then no.

That's my opinion.

[Bright Eyes]

Oh PETA and their crazy protesters. PETA is very trendy and not at all a legitimate cause for the protection of animals in my mind. That picture taken recently of Paris Hilton in a hoodie that says "Club Sandwiches Not Seals" comes to mind ... :rolleyes:

I agree with Warren. As long as your animals are happy, then I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be allowed to keep them. If you were keeping your 10 dogs in a pen and running a puppy mill then that would be an issue ... but having a healthy bunch of pets living on your farm then it is completely copacetic with me. There are some who disagree and they have rights to their opinions.

As far as hunting is concerned, as long as you practice ethical killing, then I think it is a safe and enjoyable practice.

Yeah ... and no killing endangered animals. That's not a good idea.

[lord_rupert]

You can rest assured that animals get treated better than the humans :rolleyes:

I recently took a tumble off my horse, incidentally after an animal rights protestor waved a banner and put him off at the critical moment of take off for an enormous hedge! I broke my arm when Den rolled on me. Denford was lamed. The first question my father asked was how is the horse, followed by what happened to your hunt coat and finally asked how I was doing!

All animals are fed the best food, kept groomed in gorgeous accommodation and always get seen to first before any other member of the family gets to wash and eat!

In answer to Brandy Lee - we breed the game in our woods, they are then shot and eaten fresh. No worries of shooting endangered animals. The foxes we hunt are also classed as a pest - we hunt to control populations.

ROO :eek:

[aduff]

Nothing wrong with killing to eat! Thats human nature. AS for PETA, there a disgrace, fair enough protesting against animal cruelty but some campaigns employed by PETA have been down right disgraceful.

[condor888000]

As long as you eat what you hunt, you're fine. PETA is a bunch of people with too much time on their hands. Not that the cause isn't a valuable one. They just go about it the wrong way. Personally, meat=tasty. Espically moose nose soup.

[Cheryl Tucker]

I'm not too familliar with the actions of PETA so I'm not saying anything in the way of that. I am not against killing animals for *nessecary* food that is required to get proper protein but when it comes to hunting for furs, oils etc. I hate the idea. What I always say when people ask my opinion on this issue is that in my opinion humans should not be able to do anything to animals that they are not allowed to do to themselves. So until humans are allowed to kill themselves and each other then I don't think we should be allowed to go out and kill animals without just cause.

Just Cause: For food or if the animal is dying/very sick/hurt badly.

[wb256]

I'm not too familliar with the actions of PETA so I'm not saying anything in the way of that. I am not against killing animals for *nessecary* food that is required to get proper protein but when it comes to hunting for furs, oils etc. I hate the idea. What I always say when people ask my opinion on this issue is that in my opinion humans should not be able to do anything to animals that they are not allowed to do to themselves. So until humans are allowed to kill themselves and each other then I don't think we should be allowed to go out and kill animals without just cause.

Just Cause: For food or if the animal is dying/very sick/hurt badly.


What about factory farming? Is it just to torture an animal and keep it in an unhealthy state, obviously in pain and mysery - just to save on costs?


Warren

[Logan]

Is it just to torture an animal and keep it in an unhealthy state, obviously in pain and mysery - just to save on costs?
i believe she covered that when she said:

in my opinion humans should not be able to do anything to animals that they are not allowed to do to themselves.
so i do not think that humans are allowed to keep other humans in a state of pain and mysery to save costs. i fact i belive that this is actually laid out that they aren't allowed to do that to people in the UN charter of rights. do correct me if i'm wrong.

[wb256]

i believe she covered that when she said:

so i do not think that humans are allowed to keep other humans in a state of pain and mysery to save costs. i fact i belive that this is actually laid out that they aren't allowed to do that to people in the UN charter of rights. do correct me if i'm wrong.


It may be, however, this is precisely what the west does. Colonialism kept what is now the Less Developed World (or the 3rd world) economically undeveloped and dependant upon the west. Now that independance has been granted, inflating oil prices combined with unpayable IMF loans and poor representation in the WTO keeps them in this state of dependancy.

This lets us get cheap banannas from South America, cheap chocolate from Africa and cheap clothes from Burma.

Apparently our government deems it acceptable to support companies that do this very thing, and aid them in this practice.

[smiley_sweet_heart]

What about factory farming? Is it just to torture an animal and keep it in an unhealthy state, obviously in pain and mysery - just to save on costs?


Warren

Thats my whole thing, i can't see how animal activists aim they're "efforts" at hunters first when there are thousands of farms, practically toture animals by having them all kept in such close corners and killing them as soon as they reach they're peak size. Personally i feel that it would make more sense for them to be pro hunting, because then the animals actually get to live atleast part of a normal.....or the life that they were suppost to live. {and PETA is well known, for doing useless things like throwing red paint on peoples fur coats, how this helps im not sure considering many are FAKE anyways.. not to mention that destroying other people property probably wont get them to see things your way...... just a thought though.}

[Cheryl Tucker]

Thats my whole thing, i can't see how animal activists aim they're "efforts" at hunters first when there are thousands of farms, practically toture animals by having them all kept in such close corners and killing them as soon as they reach they're peak size. Personally i feel that it would make more sense for them to be pro hunting, because then the animals actually get to live atleast part of a normal.....or the life that they were suppost to live. {and PETA is well known, for doing useless things like throwing red paint on peoples fur coats, how this helps im not sure considering many are FAKE anyways.. not to mention that destroying other people property probably wont get them to see things your way...... just a thought though.}
Yeah, I agree here too. PETA should be doing more to stop factory farming and stop wasting thier times doing useless acts of violence to get people to listen.

[Bright Eyes]

Well ... if you are copacetic with paying high prices for meat, then I would say go ahead and stop all the factory farms. We have to think about the economic effects.

In the end ... it is just an animal.

[Earlam]

In the end ... it is just an animal.

And that sentence just about sums up the entire debate. PETA can disband now, it's all over.

Doing nasty things to animals (for no useful purpose) is distasteful, and reflects poorly on whoever is doing it. In some cases, it's even morally objectionable. But in the end, it is just an animal.

The mass production and slaughter of animals for consumption isn't something we'd all like to be reminded of. Just like Warren's examples of how we exploit billions of people to preserve our lifestyle in the Western World.
But, like his examples, it's not going to stop anytime soon.
We'll continue to do whatever is in our percieved best interests. We'll grow and slaughter meat, we'll exploit and indirectly slaughter millions of human beings.

Animals are not people. Most are not sentient (I think a couple species besides us might be, but nothing's been proven).
If you're a Christian (or any of several major religions), they exist so that we can kill and eat them. If not, you've still got to admit that we're the dominant species on this planet, and we can do whatever the Hell we want.

And a final point (I'm jumping around a wee bit)....
PETA would feel pretty sheepish if suddenly people took their reccomendations. What, with no food to eat and all. Some of their ideas are at least understandable, but most that I've heard of are complete and utter crap. Some people just don't know how to win (in this case, the battle for supremacy on this planet).