Are you satisfied with the Election results?

[GIDuce]

Were you satisfied with the Election results?-for full results-- http://www.ctv.ca/mini/election2004/

[Lil Lightnin]

Were you satisfied with the Election results?

Absolutely not.

[Bright Eyes]

I think it will be interesting. It was a wake-up call for all parties involved. I'm glad that the Liberals took more seats in Atlantic Canada. Stephen Harper said some really dumb things that he'll have to do a lot to live down.

[The Blue Tory]

NO.

I was shocked that so many people turn a blind eye to corruption and a lack of representation by Carolyn Parrish...

I felt disgusted and sickened by her win.

She's rather rude as well, my candidate who was runner up, offered to do a speech conceeding defeat to her, and she refused...

Bah... If it has to be a Liberal here, I'd rather have Mahoney, who is actually respected and listened to

[The Blue Tory]

I think it will be interesting. It was a wake-up call for all parties involved. I'm glad that the Liberals took more seats in Atlantic Canada. Stephen Harper said some really dumb things that he'll have to do a lot to live down.
BTW Brandy Lee...

Harper said very few stupid things... It's the candidate's that said stupid things. I think Mr. Harper held himself very statesmanlike, yet the same can't be said for those few foolish candidates...

[DMCorrigan]

I am satisfied with the election results. Here is why.

I don't like the Liberals having a majority, but they are fairly moderate and haven't, aside from some scandals as of late, destroyed the country too badly yet. Minority liberal governments get things done, I've found, that help the country. It was a minority government (under who? I'm not sure) that founded Medicare and the Canada Pension Plan. Those things are good things for a nation to have!

I like that the Bloc and CPC have enough power to VNC the government on their own if the government does something dumb. The right wing perspective will finally begin to have some power in Canada. I like it.

What's even more interesting is how the NDP has the balance of power. Jack Layton is the most powerful man in Canada right now, no matter what anybody says. What his party says, goes, because the Liberals need the NDP to keep the Parliament in control.

Heck, I even like the fact that Surrey-White Rock elected an independant. That man is my hero.

[gunzgirl85]

Well i know the liberals won in my area cause we didn't even really know who the others were....just saw the signs with their names..

[wb256]

BTW Brandy Lee...

Harper said very few stupid things... It's the candidate's that said stupid things. I think Mr. Harper held himself very statesmanlike, yet the same can't be said for those few foolish candidates...


And since many of these issues would have been put to a free vote...it's those foolish candidates that would have made changes!

Also, refusing to apologize on behalf of his party for that newsletter that said that paul martin supports child porn was pretty low. It was taking stuff WAY out of context. He voted against the conservative bill because it was ridiculous in what was to be considered child pornography (many works of art, etc).

In my opinion, I was fairly happy with this election. I was dissapointed that the Greens didn't win any seats (I was really hoping for one or 2 of them at least...just to get the party started, so to speak). I'm glad that the conservatives lost...I really don't agree with their perspective on any issues what so ever, and I was really fearing them.

I'm not a HUGE Liberal fan, but given the options in the polls I'm glad that they won. I am also glad that it looks like the NDP will have a lot of say in this parliment, and maybe we can swing a few more leftwing programs.

[Bright Eyes]

BTW Ed ...

As a leader of the party he should be responsible for his candidates. It doesn't matter how much Mr. Statesman Harper washes his hands of it. That the Conservative party would attract people that make such statements is a huge judgement on what kind of a party it is, in my humble opinion.

I like Jack Layton. He seems like he's got a reasonable head on his shoulders. I'm glad that he is put in the pivotal role instead of Gille Duceppe.

[The Blue Tory]

The CPC are like the Calgary Flames

- both centred in Calgary
- both struggled in recent past
- both were written off only a couple months ago
- both did a lot better than anyone expected
- both had great opportunity to win the great prize
and unfortunately
- both lost barely in the end...

[Ching]

*tear*
That almost made me feel bad for not giving the Conservatives more support.... only not....

[Pirate]

NO.

I was shocked that so many people turn a blind eye to corruption and a lack of representation by Carolyn Parrish...

I felt disgusted and sickened by her win.

She's rather rude as well, my candidate who was runner up, offered to do a speech conceeding defeat to her, and she refused...

Bah... If it has to be a Liberal here, I'd rather have Mahoney, who is actually respected and listened to

Don't start this again Ed.

[Earlam]

I am not happy with the results of this election.

I thought the Conservatives would do better (by ten seats, at least).
I think the child-porn thing might have been it (it being the thing that could have made the difference in who got the minority government).

On the upside, it could have been worse. A minority government is alot better than another Liberal majority. Accountability should count for more this term....... hopefully........



(I'm kind of surprised that everyone's thinking that the Liberals will rely on the NDP...... they did run out the entire left wing of their party.....)
(I'm even more surprised that I think I agree with everyone......)

[Dick]

Where the heck did Stephen Harper get the issue of child pron from???

Before the campaign were any of you thinking "I hope someone gets rid of all this child porn im seeing everywhere!!"

It seems like a stupid idea to start with. Sure its bad, but it wasn't really something people were thinking about.


And the liberals rule Atlantic Canada. Its a whole different country over here :) Since were all poor we don't like them rich mans party.

[condor888000]

Where the heck did Stephen Harper get the issue of child pron from???

Before the campaign were any of you thinking "I hope someone gets rid of all this child porn im seeing everywhere!!"

It seems like a stupid idea to start with. Sure its bad, but it wasn't really something people were thinking about.


And the liberals rule Atlantic Canada. Its a whole different country over here :) Since were all poor we don't like them rich mans party.

Oh, I guess the fact the Martin family owns Canada Steamship Lines makes him a poor man? :rolleyes:

[Ching]

No politicians are poor. Don't be ridiculous. People tend to favour parties who favour them. As in, people with more money favour conservativism. People with less money favour social services, and more liberal parties deliver those.

[Drill Goddess]

I am really unhappy Hawn not getting in. :mad:


McLellan is going to waste more money.

[Ching]

I'm happy for Ruby Dhalla, the MP for the riding next to mine, and for GURRRRRRBAAAAAAAAXXXX!!!
Gurbax has been my MP for such a long time... :) I wouldn't vote him out, even though he's Liberal and i'd prefer a Green Party or NDP MP. I'm happy for Ruby Dhalla because she's a chick, a young South Asian chick, at that, and she won, even though she didn't have her party's support. :)

[Whiff]

I am really unhappy Hawn not getting in. :mad:


McLellan is going to waste more money.

I have to say it again...Landslide Annie...hahahaha...it cracks me up every time. :D

I'm pretty happy with the results. Although I don't support Steven Harper, I did want a CPC Minority, for several reasons.

One, it would show the Liberals they can't pull a fast one on us (but boy, did they show us).

Two, it would give the CPC a chance to show Canada what they were all about. A lot a Canadians were skeptical about the new CPC party, and this would be their chance to prove their capabilities. If there ideas were too extreme, no one would supprt them and they would be elected out shortly after.

I wish the NDP would have gotten more seats, but the Libs, CPC, or Bloc less, so no party has the balance of power.

I like the way things ended up with numbers though. 3 parties have to be on side to pass legislation, so there will be a lot of compromise.

I think this will be the longest minority government in Canada.

[condor888000]

Nothings gonna get done and they'll likely be an election at the next budget as I doubt it'll pass.

[Ching]

Yeah, because we all know how unpopular the balanced/surplus budgets the Liberals keep giving us are... {!}

I think this is something I like to call "Wishful Thinking"
Just because your party didn't get in doesn't mean that the party that DID get elected is going to fail. :rolleyes: They've managed to do a satisfactory job for the past decade...
And before someone jumps in and says "NOO!! IT"S NOT SATSIFACTORY!!! I HATE THE LIBERALS!!"
...
If it's so unsatisfactory, then why do they keep getting elected? It must be satisfying somebody...

[Whiff]

If it's so unsatisfactory, then why do they keep getting elected? It must be satisfying somebody...

...because people are afraid of change... :)

and that doesn't apply to just politics...

[Ching]

I don't think that they're so afraid of change that they'd vote in somebody that they were grossly dissatisfied with. They're afraid of change, not stupid.

[condor888000]

Think! The Libs and the NDP make up exactly half of the parliment! Meaning, that come budget time if one member of these two parties decides the budget isn't good, it will fail. Unless opposition members think it's good. It won't take 4 years till the next election.

And the Liberals keep getting elected since the people here in On have their heads too far up their arses. Look, alberta went entirely Conservative as did the majority of the other western provinces. The Liberals were slaughtered in Quebec. The only places where they have most of the seats is On and the newfs. And the farming ares in Southern On went mostly Conservative.

[Whiff]

The only places where they have most of the seats is On and the newfs. And the farming ares in Southern On went mostly Conservative.

Ahem! Newfoundland and Labrador...

They collected 22 of 32 seats in Atlantic Canada. So it wasn't just Newfoundland and Labrador. Maybe if Harper didn't refer to us as defeatists than maybe the CPC would have gotten more seats on the East Coast.

[condor888000]

They may have collected 22 out of 32 but how many weren't in Newfieland and Labrador?

[Ching]

Umm... most of them? Newfoundland doesn't make up most of the Maritimes, you know.

[wb256]

Think! The Libs and the NDP make up exactly half of the parliment! Meaning, that come budget time if one member of these two parties decides the budget isn't good, it will fail. Unless opposition members think it's good. It won't take 4 years till the next election.



The Bloc won't want another election. They only recieved so many votes because of the sponsorship scandel, and that momentum is going to die quickly. They may be voting issue by issue (rather than forming a coalition), but you'd better believe they're going to try to keep stability in this new government.

Also, the Bloc and NDP are quite similar. If the libs and NDP are in a coalition, it's quite likely that the Bloc will agree with much of what they present anyways.

[Dick]

Umm... most of them? Newfoundland doesn't make up most of the Maritimes, you know.
NFLD has 7 ridings
PEI has 4
NS has 11
NB has 10

Blame it on NS and NB! Plus PEI is completely red and not one blueberry :)

[Whiff]

NFLD has 7 ridings
PEI has 4
NS has 11
NB has 10

Blame it on NS and NB! Plus PEI is completely red and not one blueberry :)

Of the 7 in NL, 2 are CPC and the rest are Liberal. The 2 are in PC/CPC Strongholds, both federally and provincially, so they were expected to stay blue.

[piper]

When a country has a bad or corrupt gov't, the people will either vote them OUT or rise up in rebellion. Except in Canada. Here, for some odd reason, we do what we do best, vote the party we know is corrupt back into power.

[Bright Eyes]

Sheehan ... I find your opinions on politics fascinating. How do you come up with these notions? :rolleyes: Just because your favourite didn't win doesn't mean that you need to be all sour bananas on everyone else. Take a chill pill. As a side note, you won't get very far in this forum insulting Newfoundlanders.

Look, alberta went entirely Conservative as did the majority of the other western provinces
Since when has Canada's political earmark come from Alberta? Give your head a shake! The tell-tale areas are always in the centre with the extremists being on either end. What works well in Alberta will not work for the rest of Canada. I don't think you properly understand that.

[Loyal Edmonton]

Sheehan ... I find your opinions on politics fascinating. How do you come up with these notions? :rolleyes: Just because your favourite didn't win doesn't mean that you need to be all sour bananas on everyone else. Take a chill pill. As a side note, you won't get very far in this forum insulting Newfoundlanders.

Since when has Canada's political earmark come from Alberta? Give your head a shake! The tell-tale areas are always in the centre with the extremists being on either end. What works well in Alberta will not work for the rest of Canada. I don't think you properly understand that.

YOU are such a fricken hippocrit first you say that you wont get far insulting people and then you go on to say albertans ideas dont count and wont work

[Dick]

Well since Ontario and Alberta are the only "Have" provinces in Canada, I dont think what works for them will fit the other 8. If you get the drift. You guys have money, we don't. :)

[DMCorrigan]

YOU are such a fricken hippocrit first you say that you wont get far insulting people and then you go on to say albertans ideas dont count and wont work

Play nice.

[Loyal Edmonton]

Play nice.

hey i was if they can dish it then they should be able to take it

[Bright Eyes]

YOU are such a fricken hippocrit first you say that you wont get far insulting people and then you go on to say albertans ideas dont count and wont work
Woah ... get off the bell tower ...

The economic and social dynamics of the province of Alberta are completely different from that of Nova Scotia or Ontario. Surely even you can agree with that, yes? The same policies applied to a different province simply would not work. The outlook of the PC party in Saskatchewan is different that that of the party in PEI ... same party, but tailored to meet the needs of the populace. Heck, BC and Alberta are right next to each other, but their economies are very different.

The type of government Alberta selects works for Alberta ... but it would damage New Brunswick. That's all I'm saying. That's why the equal representation system was put into place.

[Logan]

actually if you look at the number of seats that are each of the parties has right now the person with the most power is the independant from vancouver because the liberals and the NDP together only have 154 seats and the conservatives and the bloc only have 153 which means that for anything to get done they need him

[Earlam]

Come, come!
Let's all just get along!

You know what would solve this whole thing?
*cough*an-elected-Senate-based-on-proportional-representation*cough*

[Logan]

do you know how hard it will be to do that, it will require a change in the constitution of canada which requires a hell of a lot of votes and referendums. every single province has to have a majority in favour of it as well as approval from the commons and the senate.

[Neo]

do you know how hard it will be to do that, it will require a change in the constitution of canada which requires a hell of a lot of votes and referendums. every single province has to have a majority in favour of it as well as approval from the commons and the senate.

Actually that is incorrect in order for a the Constitution Act to be amended it requires the following:

- The Approval of the Parliament of Canada
- The Approval of at least 7 provincal legislatures representing 50% of the Canadian populace.

There is no requirement for referendums. It's all done through elected representatives.

[Logan]

my appologies, i stand corrected. it would appear i was mistaken

[Earlam]

do you know how hard it will be to do that, it will require a change in the constitution of canada which requires a hell of a lot of votes and referendums. every single province has to have a majority in favour of it as well as approval from the commons and the senate.

If we can hold 2 referedums in a single decade deciding whether or not to cut our very nation into 3, I'm sure we can do with a little electoral reform.

Besides, what does the Senate do now, anyways?
Even when they do try to make a difference, which I don't see too often, there's not much they can do (besides refuse a bill, and there are ways around that).

[piper]

Actually that is incorrect in order for a the Constitution Act to be amended it requires the following:

- The Approval of the Parliament of Canada
- The Approval of at least 7 provincal legislatures representing 50% of the Canadian populace.

There is no requirement for referendums. It's all done through elected representatives.

And that, children, is why nothing can be changed in this country. The provinces are to busy bickering with each other to agree on anything like this, and besides, Quebec won't vote yes unless it has something in it for the Francophones (don't deny this, its true).

[Bright Eyes]

Quebec won't vote yes unless it has something in it for the Francophones
Well ... now there is a good informed blanket statement. I'm sure nothing bad will come of you saying this. :rolleyes:

[wb256]

Quebec won't vote yes unless it has something in it for the Francophones (don't deny this, its true).

Generally most people vote for things that benifit themselves. For Quebec this usually means social programs, etc. For Alberta it means relaxed enviromental controls, etc.

Coincidentally, the vast majority of Quebec's population is French. For some CRAZY reason, I seem to think that it would only be logical for them to vote for things that benifit Francophones.

So no, I don't deny your statement, but there's nothing wrong with it.

(as a side note, Quebec's demands seem to be less detremental to our enviroment and what not than the west's. Is your problem really with Quebec looking out for it's own, or is it that you just have some sort of irrational hatred for left wing thinkers?)

[Whiff]

actually if you look at the number of seats that are each of the parties has right now the person with the most power is the independant from vancouver because the liberals and the NDP together only have 154 seats and the conservatives and the bloc only have 153 which means that for anything to get done they need him

I think it turned out great that the independent is the deciding factor. What are the odds?

Not only that, but he can vote whatever way he wants (which by the looks of things it will most likely be with the CPC) without going agaist his party, he doesn't have a platform (as per say). This guy has her knocked! :)

[DMCorrigan]

(as a side note, Quebec's demands seem to be less detremental to our enviroment and what not than the west's. Is your problem really with Quebec looking out for it's own, or is it that you just have some sort of irrational hatred for left wing thinkers?)

Play nice, Warren.

[wb256]

I think it turned out great that the independent is the deciding factor. What are the odds?

Not only that, but he can vote whatever way he wants (which by the looks of things it will most likely be with the CPC) without going agaist his party, he doesn't have a platform (as per say). This guy has her knocked! :)


The Bloc isn't going to vote along with the CPC! Seriously, their platform is FAR closer to the NDP's than anyone else's. The independant dosn't have the power, the Bloc does.

The Bloc is voting issue by issue, but chances are they'll agree with a liberal/NDP alliance just to avoid another election. They only got this many seats because of the sponsorship scandel, and they know it. Duceppe even mentioned it in his speech after the election was done. If another election is called their support won't be nearly as high.

And due to the large left-wing contingent (NDP and bloc combined) that the Liberals have to bow down to, this looks like it's going to be a very leftist few years.

All 3 parties don't want this parliment to dissolve. The NDP finally has their chance to do something, the Bloc has numerous seats that will be gone by next election and the Liberals need to prove themselves again after that sponsorship scandel before risking another tight race with the torries.

[Logan]

i know that the bloc is more left than the NDP but the reason i had put them together with the conservatives was that there were rumors going around that the 2 parties might work closely together against the liberals.

[wb256]

i know that the bloc is more left than the NDP but the reason i had put them together with the conservatives was that there were rumors going around that the 2 parties might work closely together against the liberals.

That would mean completely abandoning their left-ist platform and socially liberal values. For some reason I highly doubt that they'll do that, and ruin their chances of having this many MP's.

They may be French, but we should give them SOME credit. {!}

(that was clearly sarcastic. My mom's from Quebec).

[sassy17]

Really right now i could care less about who one the election.... i'm not interested in government stuff .....right now

[Whiff]

[QUOTE=WarrenBernauer]The Bloc isn't going to vote along with the CPC! Seriously, their platform is FAR closer to the NDP's than anyone else's. The independant dosn't have the power, the Bloc does.[QUOTE]

I was speaking in the case the Libs/NDP and CPC/Bloc paired up on an issue. :)

[The Blue Tory]

Honestly I think the CPC lost it, when Harper said he was going to win a majority government and that he was already forming a transition team...

When I heard on radio that he said that, I had a bad feeling about it

[The Blue Tory]

Only way Bloc would vote the same as CPC, is if it benifitted Quebec

[wb256]

Only way Bloc would vote the same as CPC, is if it benifitted Quebec


Even then I doubt they would...they're likely going to try to keep this government as stable as possible, since this was the best possible situation for them (and the NDP).

[Dick]

Honestly I think the CPC lost it, when Harper said he was going to win a majority government and that he was already forming a transition team...

When I heard on radio that he said that, I had a bad feeling about itThen you proceeded to Say the exact same thing in your Conservative thread!!! hahahaha

[Ching]

Then you proceeded to Say the exact same thing in your Conservative thread!!! hahahaha
ZING!!! :)

[The Blue Tory]

Then you proceeded to Say the exact same thing in your Conservative thread!!! hahahaha
I was hoping for one... I believed immediately after the debate that it was going to be a conservative win...

But we all know that's not how it turned out... because of several unexpected things came into play during the last two weeks

[piper]

or is it that you just have some sort of irrational hatred for left wing thinkers?)

Hmmmmm. I just don't like how these left wing thinkers can completely ignore the reality of our unstable world today and continue to advocate, in their own annoyingly naive way, 'gifts and world do-gooding' over 'guns'. Its like the saying guns or butter? We are a rich country, so we can afford both in decent quantities. But if it comes down to it, I'll take the guns over the butter. Because if you don't have the guns, chances are someone is going to come and take your butter away. And crying about it and saying 'why don't we all hold hands and be buddies because its nice' and holding up our highly subsidised (by MY, my families and other hard working, money making, people's hard earned cash) health care system and saying 'look at this, we're great' won't help us a bit.

[wb256]

Hmmmmm. I just don't like how these left wing thinkers can completely ignore the reality of our unstable world today and continue to advocate, in their own annoyingly naive way, 'gifts and world do-gooding' over 'guns'. Its like the saying guns or butter? We are a rich country, so we can afford both in decent quantities. But if it comes down to it, I'll take the guns over the butter. Because if you don't have the guns, chances are someone is going to come and take your butter away. And crying about it and saying 'why don't we all hold hands and be buddies because its nice' and holding up our highly subsidised (by MY, my families and other hard working, money making, people's hard earned cash) health care system and saying 'look at this, we're great' won't help us a bit.

Left wing dosn't mean anti-military...look at Stalinist Russia.

As for healthcare, if I'm going to get shot or die when I get sick, same old same old. Both are important priorities. However, chances are I'm going to get sick and die if healthcare is gone...chances of me being shot because of the state of our military is...next to none.

Our only military opponents right now are global terrorists, and a military won't stop attacks at all. It would be a waste of money trying to defend Canada with a military, because terrorists will attack anyways. Look at the USA, they have a military FAR FAR greater than ours, and it's their national security that's at risk.

Anyways, leftist economic decisions are made for a reason, to keep our citizens out of poverty.

[Ching]

I would take butter. Guns taste bad, butter tastes better. Unless it is a bitter butter, which makes a bitter batter. But butter makes a bitter batter better. Whereas guns have the pitter patter which leads to splitter splatter, and makes people bitter, but butter does not make the bitter people better. Guns don't, either, though. I prefer butter.

[Cooper]

not really, the liberals have been in power for long enough in my opinion.

[Whiff]

Even then I doubt they would...they're likely going to try to keep this government as stable as possible, since this was the best possible situation for them (and the NDP).

That doesn't mean they are always going to side with the Liberals to keep the government stable. All that means is they are agreeing with the Liberals view on the issue. If all parties agree all the time then people are going to say "hey, if they are all agreeing with the Liberals, then they must be doing something right. Let's give them a majority again..." So obvioulsly parties are going to have to vote together againts a few issues.

[DMCorrigan]

I would take butter. Guns taste bad, butter tastes better. Unless it is a bitter butter, which makes a bitter batter. But butter makes a bitter batter better. Whereas guns have the pitter patter which leads to splitter splatter, and makes people bitter, but butter does not make the bitter people better. Guns don't, either, though. I prefer butter.

Alright, I'm going to translate this into English for all the users that don't understand, just like me.

How it should read, in English is:



I would take butter. Guns taste bad, butter tastes better. Crummy butter, however, makes crummy batter. ... y'know what, basically, she's saying she would perfer "butter" to "guns."

[Ching]

Thank you, but I like the way I put it better. :) But I"m not bitter. :p

[DMCorrigan]

Thank you, but I like the way I put it better. :) But I"m not bitter. :p

Hehe... :)