2009 Canadian Junior Soaring Camp

[Oke A]

To All Glider Pilots!


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This is what the Canadian Junior Soaring Camp is all about!

This is to all of those who obtained their glider wings or are currently taking on the course! I would like to bring interest to the 6th Annual Canadian Junior Soaring Camp hosted by the Canadian Junior Soaring Team and SOSA Gliding Club. Come for a 10 Day Camp and Fly high performance gliders. Learn how to soar for hours, taught by some of the best glider pilots in North America. Check out the link below for more information and send your application TODAY!


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--> CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD YOUR 2009 APPLICATION FORM <-- (http://www.silentflight.ca/oke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=17&Itemid=27)


Where: SOSA Gliding Club (http://www.sosaglidingclub.com/), Cambridge, Ontario (45 minutes west of Toronto)

When: Wednesday, August 19th – Friday, August 28th 2009

Who Can Attend: Licensed glider pilots less than 26 years of age.

Due to instructor and equipment limitations only 12 first-year pilots and 3 returning-pilots can attend. Please submit your registration form and registration fee without delay to ensure your place at the camp!

Accommodations: Bring your tent or trailer and stay at our private campground! Shower, Washer (bring detergent!) and kitchen facilities are provided so that you may buy groceries and cook your own food (we’ll even give you a ride to the store!) Though there will be adult supervision at the airfield and the campground, expect a fun, laid back atmosphere (no marching required!)

Transportation: If you fly or take the train to Toronto or Hamilton, our volunteers will pick you up at the airport/station! Just let us know what time to come get you.

Cost: $50 (+GST) Registration Fee

The registration fee provides membership until the end of the season with flying at member rates after the camp. Tow fees and glider rental are in addition to the fee above. A 2000 foot tow costs $22.50 and an additional $9.50/1000 feet thereafter (+GST). Glider rental is at a reduced rate of $0.55/min (+GST) for any glider! Flights will be limited to 1:00 in duration unless nobody else wants to fly the aircraft. Instruction is provided by volunteers and is free of charge. You will receive a statement of account at the end of the camp that must be paid with cash, cheque or major credit card prior to departure.

The average cost for those who flew in the 2004-2008 camp was about $600 over ten days. We expect costs to be similar this year.
Campers who are members of the Royal Canadian Air Cadets may find financial assistance by applying for a continuation of flying training scholarship. This $300 grant is available to cadets who commit to continuing their glider flight training.

The Canadian Junior Soaring Camp is a not for profit event and would not be possible without the volunteer assistance of some of Canada’s most experienced high-performance glider pilots. Camp volunteers will be present from August 19th until September 1st to accommodate early arrivals and late departures. If you need anything, let us know: we’re here to help you out!

Please visit our websites: www.sosaglidingclub.com
If you have any questions, please contact us by phone or email:
1-519-337-4018 AdamOke@Gmail.com

[Oke A]

The registration fee has been updated and the new application form is available for all. $50 bucks! How can you go wrong?! Check it out and send your application in today!

[Oke A]

Here are a few things that I have been asked ...

Just to clear things up the cost of registration is $53 with the gst all said and done. Each flight is in addition to and the prices are set in the application form. There have been highs of $900 worth of serious flying ... others casually around $400. It is all up to you on how much you want to spend.

Applications are processed and slotted on a first come first serve basis.

As for applications for future pilots attending rgs this summer... send them in now! Even if you do not complete the course, so long as you are post solo I can arrange you to keep flying and get licensed!

If you are doing glider this summer, DO NOT MISS OUT! Keep flying and do it in high performance glass!

[j-18]

I'm applying this summer! sounds preety sick~ hope to get checked out for some preety cool gliders:airsalute:

~T.P~

[borntofly]

i wish i had known about sosa last year. after i got home from glider i learned that my parents would have agreed to pay for it and everything.

i would LOVE to go this year, but i may be at camp, and i have to move into residence at stfx two days later.

[Lam Azwin]

are there still positions available?

[Oke A]

are there still positions available?

Yup. Get your application in as they are slowly but surely filling up.

[j-18]

Who else is attending this summer?

~T.P~

[Nizzar]

Who else is attending this summer?

~T.P~

Even if I get accepted into Glider 2008, financing the trip to Ontario would be difficult, as much as I'd like to attend.

Looks like a great opportunity, don't miss out everyone!

:)

[j-18]

Even if I get accepted into Glider 2008, financing the trip to Ontario would be difficult, as much as I'd like to attend.

Looks like a great opportunity, don't miss out everyone!

:)

Yeah booking it out from BC sounds challenging lol i'll be sure to spread the word:airsalute:

~T.P~

[Lam Azwin]

Even if I get accepted into Glider 2008, financing the trip to Ontario would be difficult, as much as I'd like to attend.

Looks like a great opportunity, don't miss out everyone!

:)

We should plan a roadtrip out there as a vancouver aircadet team. =D

[Nizzar]

We should plan a roadtrip out there as a vancouver aircadet team. =D

Hmmm... that'd be pretty cool. :) You're covering my costs though. :p

Although, next year might be a possibility.

[j-18]

YEAH!~ my application has been received and accepted. Who else got in? i'm pumped:airsalute:

~T.P~

[Nizzar]

Too bad I'll be missing out on this, it looks like a great opportunity for the rest of you!

However, after our Glider Course this year, a few friends and myself are thinking about camping out at Hope Airport for a week and flying gliders together.
My question is, would hours in gliders other than the 2-33A be counted towards getting a familiarization rating for Cadets?

[axehead]

However, after our Glider Course this year, a few friends and myself are thinking about camping out at Hope Airport for a week and flying gliders together.
My question is, would hours in gliders other than the 2-33A be counted towards getting a familiarization rating for Cadets?

the short answer is yes (my experience in pra region if its different else where fell free to say) however you still have to prove yourself competent before you get you fam rating

[j-18]

Too bad I'll be missing out on this, it looks like a great opportunity for the rest of you!

However, after our Glider Course this year, a few friends and myself are thinking about camping out at Hope Airport for a week and flying gliders together.
My question is, would hours in gliders other than the 2-33A be counted towards getting a familiarization rating for Cadets?

I'm sure they do. Those are PIC hrs that they ask of you; and that's what you're building up for. Now your gliding centre needs to see how well you fly the 2-33 etc etc, but with those 10+ hrs in your logbook they'll let you have your rating after checking you out~

~T.P~

[Oke A]

They absolutely count. No where does it state 10hrs PIC are required within the ACGP or in ACGP gliders.

Straight from the horses mouth....


c. Prerequisites.

The pilot shall:
(1) hold a valid Canadian Glider Pilot Licence and shall have 10 hours PIC in gliders;

(2) have successfully demonstrated the ability to brief the passenger on the characteristics and limitations of the glider and the flying sequences authorized to be performed during the famil flight, and have successfully demonstrated the ability to consistently perform the take-off, tow, release circuit and landing to a PL 4; and

(3) have flown at least three solo flights utilizing the same launch method as that intended for the passenger carrying flight.

[j-18]

now what if you have 15+ PIC hrs in gliders and you haven't done your front seat famil rating, Could you ask for a back seat famil and be checked out for it?

~T.P~

[Nizzar]

Yes, that is true.

Straight from the same horse's mouth.. ;)



18. The following are applicable:
a. Qualification Title -- Glider Familiarization Pilot (Rear Seat).

b. Duties. When so designated by the RCA Ops O, a Glider Famil Pilot (Rear Seat) is
authorized to conduct glider famil flights from either the front or reat seat of
the glider.

c. Prerequisites. The pilot shall:
(1) Hold a valid Canadian Glider Pilot Licence;
(2) have acquired:
(a) not less than 15 hours PIC, including not less than 100 flights in gliders, or
(b) not less than 10 hours PIC, including not less than 200 flights in gliders; and
(4) have successfully demonstrated the ability to brief the passenger on characteristics,
and limitations of the glider and the flying sequences authorized to be performed
during the famil flight, and have successfully demonstrated the ability to consistently
perform the take-off, tow, release circuit and landing to a PL 4.

P.S.: Why is (3) skipped? :P

[Oke A]

now what if you have 15+ PIC hrs in gliders and you haven't done your front seat famil rating, Could you ask for a back seat famil and be checked out for it?

~T.P~

Doesn't say in the ACGM but good luck. I'll say an informal "no" will apply. Besides once you've got your backseat, you'd kill to fly from the front ... so do it while you can ;)

[Oke A]

P.S.: Why is (3) skipped? :P

Havn't a clue. Prolly along the same lines as to why there were badge placement questions on the refresher exams last year ....

Gettin' all fancy with the "code" now are we?

[Nizzar]

Just though it'd be a bit neater. :)

[axehead]

now what if you have 15+ PIC hrs in gliders and you haven't done your front seat famil rating, Could you ask for a back seat famil and be checked out for it?

~T.P~

front seat fam is only one flight so why not do it?

[Oke A]

front seat fam is only one flight so why not do it?

One flight eh? I'd be interested to see how you can perform all the required flying sequences into one flight. I don't know what cadets do off hand but I'm pretty sure they included a rope break .... unless you do a rope break at say 3000ft AGL ... Famil is a 2 flight ride. Both front and rear. Almost certain it required 2 separate prog cards regardless.

[j-18]

One flight eh? I'd be interested to see how you can perform all the required flying sequences into one flight. I don't know what cadets do off hand but I'm pretty sure they included a rope break .... unless you do a rope break at say 3000ft AGL ... Famil is a 2 flight ride. Both front and rear. Almost certain it required 2 separate prog cards regardless.

I'd agree. Almost all glider pilots in my sqn who have front seat did between 2-4 flights for them to be checked out~

~T.P~

[axehead]

One flight eh? I'd be interested to see how you can perform all the required flying sequences into one flight. I don't know what cadets do off hand but I'm pretty sure they included a rope break .... unless you do a rope break at say 3000ft AGL ... Famil is a 2 flight ride. Both front and rear. Almost certain it required 2 separate prog cards regardless.

actually your apc or currency has a rope break all you have to do for a fam rating is prove you can take-off, tow, release, do circuits and land to pl4
as well as brief passengers and do checks one flight assuming you pass


19. The following are applicable:

a. Qualification Title – Glider Familiarization Pilot (Front Seat)

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A-CR-CCP-242/PT-005
b. Duties. When so designated by the RCA Ops O, a Glider Famil Pilot (Front Seat) is authorized to
conduct glider famil flights only from the front seat of the glider.

c. Prerequisites. The pilot shall:

(1) hold a valid Canadian Glider Pilot Licence and shall have 10 hours PIC in gliders;

(2) have successfully demonstrated the ability to brief the passenger on the characteristics and
limitations of the glider and the flying sequences authorized to be performed during the
famil flight, and have successfully demonstrated the ability to consistently perform the take-
off, tow, release circuit and landing to a PL 4; and

(3) have flown at least three solo flights utilizing the same launch method as that intended for
the passenger carrying flight.

NOTE

If the pilot holds a valid Canadian Private Pilot Licence or higher, or has successfully
completed flying training to CF "Wings" standard, then the 10 hours PIC in gliders may be
waived.


i did mine in one flight again in pra region

[Oke A]

You just quoted the pre-req's again....I'm looking for the standards. There is a requirement you must achieve certain PL4's on. That is what I am discussing. I'm not saying your wrong by any means. It's a bit more than seeing if you can throw yourself up in the air and avoid hitting the ground all while being able to breif a kid in the back as you stated.

I'm sure you performed a stall or two, maybe an incip. Steep turns, med. gentle. Slips...etc etc. Maybe you didn't realise it but that question "What would you do if you had a rope break right now" stroked off the emergency portion of your prog card.

Catch my drift? I'm not too sure where one can find the requirements or whats invovled in the check out. Anyone have a ref.?

[j-18]

SOSA 2K8 WAS AWESOME! i enjoyed flying the club a/c and would do it again! [time & Wx permitting]. :airsalute:

~T.P~

[cadet_kelly]

SOSA 2K8 WAS AWESOME! i enjoyed flying the club a/c and would do it again! [time & Wx permitting]. :airsalute:

~T.P~

meeeeeeeeeee toooo!
sosa was awesome...

:D good times

[j-18]

meeeeeeeeeee toooo!
sosa was awesome...

:D good times

lmao ;) :lol:;)

~T.P~

[Oke A]

NOTE:

Any post previous to this post are representations and questions regarding the 2008 camp with acception to the FIRST post by me. From here on are questions regarding the 2009 Canadian Junior Soaring Camp hosted by the Canadian Junior Soaring Team. Feel free to ask away about the 2009 camp from now on.

[chickie_de]

I have a few questions:

1. What are the dates for this year?

2. What is the estimated cost?

3. If I haven't been flying gliders in about a year, is this an issue? Should I be refreshed if I was to go?

Thanks

[Oke A]

I have a few questions:

1. What are the dates for this year?

2. What is the estimated cost?

3. If I haven't been flying gliders in about a year, is this an issue? Should I be refreshed if I was to go?

Thanks

1. The dates for 2009 are not announced as of yet. However they will be similar to previous years. The week after RGS and not overlapping heavily with the school term.

2. Estimated cost is as stated in the first post. The average spent is $600. However the amount you spend is entirely up to you. You may chose to fly more, or fly less.

3. Last year we had a pilot who had not flown in 3 years. There is no issue with getting current again and soloing within the allotted time frame. This is however on a pilot to pilot basis. Some learn faster than others and this decision is purely based on safety and governed by the instructor. I would recommend reading through the FTGU, and any notes you may have and refresh yourself about procedures.

[Oke A]

Update:

The camp date for 2009: Wednesday, August 19th – Friday, August 28th 2009

The cost of the camp for 2009 have been posted aswell. Application forms will shortly be available. Please e-mail me for any questions.

[Oke A]

Update:

The application forms are out!



--> CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD YOUR 2009 APPLICATION FORM <-- (http://www.silentflight.ca/oke/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=17&Itemid=27)

Once you find out you're selected for RGS this year you can apply! Past Jr. Soar candidates apply ASAP as there are only a select few slots for returning pilots.

[steveandrews]

Is there going to be a 2010 junior soaring camp? :confused:

[Oke A]

I am planning to organize the 7th Annual Canadian Junior Soaring Camp for 2010.

Hopefully prairie region course dates will line up this year.

[steveandrews]

I'd love to do this it looks like alot of fun. I'd love to be flying too.
When would you apply for this 'Continuation of flying training' grant. Is it something you would ask for at my home sqn?

[Oke A]

I'd love to do this it looks like alot of fun. I'd love to be flying too.
When would you apply for this 'Continuation of flying training' grant. Is it something you would ask for at my home sqn?

The continuation flying award, or pilot training achievement award are applied for, usually, no later than October/November of the year of application.

Keep an eye out for an updated form for both the awards on the league website. Check out the other various scholarships one can apply for, regarding post secondary as well.

http://www.aircadetleague.com/en/infoforcadetsandsquadron/formsanddocuments/

[cadet_kelly]

Adam, c'mon!!! upload the 2010 details so I can start promoting/plan to attend :D

P.S. All of you people considering SOSA, it's truly a great time and a priceless learning experience :)

[Oke A]

I do not want to jump the gun this year. I want to be sure of the Prairie, Eastern, Central, and school dates. Details will follow soon!

[cadet_kelly]

I do not want to jump the gun this year. I want to be sure of the Prairie, Eastern, Central, and school dates. Details will follow soon!

:) I'm just excited

[steveandrews]

I can't wait either ! I think it would be worth the drive/flight out from nova scotia to fly these gliders.

Hope the dates come soon :)


I also have a question.. Do you have an idea of what the average flying time logged is ? (PIC & Dual)

[KBYSTROM]

Any word on the dates yet for 2010? Airline seats tend to become more expensive as the date grows near, and Comox→Hamilton return is a pricey one at that. Plus, sixteen year-olds tend to operate on a shoestring budget. :)

[Oke A]

I can't wait either ! I think it would be worth the drive/flight out from nova scotia to fly these gliders.

Hope the dates come soon :)


I also have a question.. Do you have an idea of what the average flying time logged is ? (PIC & Dual)

Average over the past 2 years has been approximatively $800-$900 for a range of about 7-10hours of flying. Fly as much or as little as you want to.

[Oke A]

Any word on the dates yet for 2010? Airline seats tend to become more expensive as the date grows near, and Comox→Hamilton return is a pricey one at that. Plus, sixteen year-olds tend to operate on a shoestring budget. :)

Here is an unofficial update to keep you guys in the loop for now...

I do apologize, however my hands are tied at the moment. Please be patient, as I am trying to be patient as well. There are a couple course dates in play right now. Nothing firm however for a rough estimation it should either be Aug 25-Sept 3 or Aug 18-27 . These are the two that are being tossed around at present time.

Cost for the course is expected to be the same, with exception to the new Ontario HST (13%) being implemented as opposed to GST only as seen in previous years.

Draft applications are made, and almost ready for public release. Should be a couple more weeks I would expect.

[axehead]

Here is an unofficial update to keep you guys in the loop for now...

I do apologize, however my hands are tied at the moment. Please be patient, as I am trying to be patient as well. There are a couple course dates in play right now. Nothing firm however for a rough estimation it should either be Aug 25-Sept 3 or Aug 18-27 . These are the two that are being tossed around at present time.

Cost for the course is expected to be the same, with exception to the new Ontario HST (13%) being implemented as opposed to GST only as seen in previous years.

Draft applications are made, and almost ready for public release. Should be a couple more weeks I would expect.

I have a contract for RGS(Pra) as an instructor this summer and it does not end till Aug 21. i assume that will be the end date for the gliding corse out here. just so you know.

[Oke A]

I have a contract for RGS(Pra) as an instructor this summer and it does not end till Aug 21. i assume that will be the end date for the gliding corse out here. just so you know.

Thanks Paul. I will push for the 25th start date.