Uniforms: the "Tilley" Hat.

[Svejk]

Cost of issue aside for the Moment, how many of you like the "Tilley" Hat currently issued?

I believe, like much of our kit, it is unsoldierly and undignified if worn without modification. Like a toque, it does serve a purpose but I think it looks silly and other options are available.

How about back to the Stetson: http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/saw/equip/stetso_e.html

Or about the Wolesely Helmet in Khaki? http://www.villagehatshop.com/product1000.html

Both would be look alot better and still be practical no?

[runnerchica]

I don't mind the current tilly hat. It serves its purpse without being too cumbersome.

[Fufu_65]

Cost of issue aside for the Moment, how many of you like the "Tilley" Hat currently issued?

I believe, like much of our kit, it is unsoldierly and undignified if worn without modification. Like a toque, it does serve a purpose but I think it looks silly and other options are available.

How about back to the Stetson: http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/saw/equip/stetso_e.html

Or about the Wolesely Helmet in Khaki? http://www.villagehatshop.com/product1000.html

Both would be look alot better and still be practical no?


personally i think both of those would look rather silly ....and i like the tilley hat..u can remember many memories if u write inthem:p

-SS

[Sarah]

I like my tilly hehe they actually look rather foolish and somewhat like a tourist but hey they serve there purpose so i dont complain

[Engie]

I don't wear one because we only really wear them at camp and I am able to be on staff now and we are entitled to wear black ball-caps.

[AMothfromWpg]

tilleys are good, heck I find the trucker hats good (though lack of back of neck protection..)
they do the job
they aren't suppose to be making a fashion statement

[Lt(N) Jean Cyr]

Cost of issue aside for the Moment, how many of you like the "Tilley" Hat currently issued?

I believe, like much of our kit, it is unsoldierly and undignified if worn without modification. Like a toque, it does serve a purpose but I think it looks silly and other options are available.

How about back to the Stetson: http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/saw/equip/stetso_e.html

Or about the Wolesely Helmet in Khaki? http://www.villagehatshop.com/product1000.html

Both would be look alot better and still be practical no?

If you think cost is an issue now, wait until someone tries to implement the change you suggest above. :eek:

Tilly hats are worn by adult members of the Canadian military and other countries as well. I don't see the problem :)

J

[Agnew]

The Stetson Hat seems a little to calvalry to me.. and probably a bit costly. Plus it would get treated more as a frisbee(spl?)

Pith helmets wouldn't be a good idea at all. This is what D+C wear for parades and such. They are uncomfortable, hot, inconvenient, bulky, and heavy.

Tilleys are somewhat comfy, cooler, more convenient, VERY compact, and VERY light. Plus it's an Okay frisbee(spl?).

I think the tilley hat is just great for summer wear.

[condor888000]

The tilley works fine and isn't that expensive. No need to change it.

Oh, if you put enough starch on the rim the tilley is a excellent frisbee!!! :D

[SmileForMe]

If you think cost is an issue now, wait until someone tries to implement the change you suggest above. :eek:

Tilly hats are worn by adult members of the Canadian military and other countries as well. I don't see the problem :)

J

Agreed!
Besides, tilley hats are a nice improvement from those black ball caps!


I don't wear one because we only really wear them at camp and I am able to be on staff now and we are entitled to wear black ball-caps.
At Acadia staff cadets don't have to wear anything on their head when in PT gear, and when in workdress it's white top (with webbing) or a black beret (without webbing). Although I noticed this past summer that a lot of people from sea ops wear ball caps with their workdress (without webbing of course).. hmm..

[S Urbanoski]

Quick show of hands.....How many of you have burned the back of your neck, your lips, your cheeks,your nose....SO badly that you couldn't put you shirt on? Sunscreen only does so much..

Does it make a big fantastic bold fashion statement? SURE it does, it says I VALUE my health and don't REALLY want skin cancer.

[Walsh]

my HMCS Ontario Ball cap does quite well.

Though I do dispise the White Tops.

[SmileForMe]

Quick show of hands.....How many of you have burned the back of your neck, your lips, your cheeks,your nose....SO badly that you couldn't put you shirt on? Sunscreen only does so much..

Does it make a big fantastic bold fashion statement? SURE it does, it says I VALUE my health and don't REALLY want skin cancer.

I used to find that the sunscreen given out at camp made me burn! :confused: Go figure! LOL.. after CF practice this summer I would've like to have been a course cadet so that I was wearing a tilley hat.. I burned the back of my neck and legs soooo bad. Booo :(

[Gungod]

Though I do dispise the White Tops.

You dispise your Whitetop!!! That is probably one of the best ways to identify yourself as a Sea Cadet. It's unique and sharp looking. What would you rather wear on your head while in C1's?

[Lancaster]

Here in the uk we wear proudly the RAF uniform ;)

[JGallagher]

I belive that the tilly hats would look better if there was a standard to the wearing of them!! Like some peopl have them the strings hanging and others have them tied back. They would look better if the strings were drawn tight in the back of the hat. That is how I wear my green one!!

[Bando Commando]

I remember my tilly...

A few of us always used to tie the strings up on top (then starching it to make it permanent) to have a nice, still protective, bushwacker-style hat. THOSE were the best. Man that was slick. :cool:

Tillies, like most other uniform parts, can be altered. They can look cool.

And I'd rather have a dorky lookin' hat than cancer anyday. Cancer has that nasty habit of killing you. Tilly hats might just get you made fun of.

[gunzgirl85]

I think that tilley's should not be tied up. I know they look really silly like that, but when their tied up your ears still burn! I know they like to tie them up out west, but at acadia sillyness and safe ears predominate!

Now i don't like any of these headdresses, i rather stick to my white top anyday!
thats why the guard every morning wears white tops and webbing, i think they agree with me:) lol

Although i did have an awesome white top tan by my 2nd week! :cool:

[Walsh]

You dispise your Whitetop!!! That is probably one of the best ways to identify yourself as a Sea Cadet. It's unique and sharp looking. What would you rather wear on your head while in C1's?

And it also is uncomfortable and disgusting, as it does not breath.

I personally rather where the little white Giligan's Island style tilleys the USN wears.

[Fufu_65]

i LOVE the tilley..and all u ppl who don't need to get checked...but the tilly has to be large enough on ur head that the rim flops down..those are the coolest..and all u gunners who startch the rim of your tilley's...ur just weird :rolleyes:



-SS

[wells]

I think the helmet would look really silly......The tilly serves the purpous, and plus the CF has also changes it's field cap to a tilly style with it's new CADPAT line.....so I guess it must be half good.

[SmileForMe]

I think that tilley's should not be tied up. I know they look really silly like that, but when their tied up your ears still burn! I know they like to tie them up out west, but at acadia sillyness and safe ears predominate!

Now i don't like any of these headdresses, i rather stick to my white top anyday!
thats why the guard every morning wears white tops and webbing, i think they agree with me:) lol

Although i did have an awesome white top tan by my 2nd week! :cool:

Well they do have they tied back for Colors in the morning. They get marked on it and everything LOL. I've never had an issue with my ears burning because it was tied back though.. hmm.. But I know one thing, the strings aren't the most durable! I had both of mine safety-pinned in by my 3rd week of TG3! LOL.. I still like it though.. and I love the white top, oh how I miss it!! LOL..

[Tomtom]

I think the helmet would look really silly......The tilly serves the purpous, and plus the CF has also changes it's field cap to a tilly style with it's new CADPAT line.....so I guess it must be half good.


Yes, I like my "floppy hat" as we call it, but at least it is the same colour, and matches my uniform.

It would be nice to see each element having their own hat to match their uniforms, or, mandating that they are PT only dress.

[SmileForMe]

Yes, I like my "floppy hat" as we call it, but at least it is the same colour, and matches my uniform.

It would be nice to see each element having their own hat to match their uniforms, or, mandating that they are PT only dress.

Well if they were to make it match their uniforms, for sea cadets the tilleys would be blue (like the workdress), or black.. for army most likely army green, and for air, a light or darker blue. Now let's think.. the tilleys hats now being of a beige color I believe is a smart thing. Why? Well.. what happens when you wear a black tilley hat on your head? Or any dark color for that matter, as yes.. it gets even hotter than a lighter colored one. Which.. would really defeat the purpose of the tilley hat. :)

[*TarpoS*]

Well if they were to make it match their uniforms, for sea cadets the tilleys would be blue (like the workdress), or black.. for army most likely army green, and for air, a light or darker blue. Now let's think.. the tilleys hats now being of a beige color I believe is a smart thing. Why? Well.. what happens when you wear a black tilley hat on your head? Or any dark color for that matter, as yes.. it gets even hotter than a lighter colored one. Which.. would really defeat the purpose of the tilley hat. :)

haha good thinkin! :) just keep them all the same colour, instead of making them darker and us dying of heat!!!

personally, i like the tilly hats... and plus, if everyone is wearing them and looks equally silly, u dont feel so silly urself... :cool:

[N. McKay]

I agree with NCdt Gallagher that there should be a standard way to wear it, and I'm very surprised that wasn't addressed when they were first authorised.

I don't mind seeing it worn with combats or work dress, probably because it's worn that way in the Forces. But it does tend to look awfully sloppy when worn with ceremonial dress.

[SmileForMe]

I agree with NCdt Gallagher that there should be a standard way to wear it, and I'm very surprised that wasn't addressed when they were first authorised.

I don't mind seeing it worn with combats or work dress, probably because it's worn that way in the Forces. But it does tend to look awfully sloppy when worn with ceremonial dress.

I was always told to pull my strings back, and I always told my cadets the same this summer.

Worn with ceremonial dress? I don't think I've ever seen this!? :eek:

[Tomtom]

Why? Well.. what happens when you wear a black tilley hat on your head? Or any dark color for that matter, as yes.. it gets even hotter than a lighter colored one. Which.. would really defeat the purpose of the tilley hat. :)


I wear a tilley hat that is dark green and it does not have that effect. They are designed to sheild your face, ears, and neck from the sun. I don't think it really matters what colour it is.

[SmileForMe]

I wear a tilley hat that is dark green and it does not have that effect. They are designed to sheild your face, ears, and neck from the sun. I don't think it really matters what colour it is.

It's a well known fact that darker colors absorb and become more heated than lighter colors. Therefore making your head hotter. Which could have a big long list of chain reactions.

[*TarpoS*]

I agree with NCdt Gallagher that there should be a standard way to wear it, and I'm very surprised that wasn't addressed when they were first authorised.

I don't mind seeing it worn with combats or work dress, probably because it's worn that way in the Forces. But it does tend to look awfully sloppy when worn with ceremonial dress.

that's so true! ceremonial dress should NOT be worn with a tilley hat.. that's just WRONG :eek:

[AMothfromWpg]

in the air cadet dress instructions HERE (http://cadets.ca/_docs/cato-oaic/5504A_b.pdf) have the string on the tilley under the chin

I personally have only ever seen it at CSTC as string behind the head, pulled nice and snig.

and it was enforced as such...

as to staff cadets, in PACSTC we had baseball caps that were colour coordinated to either dept, sqn, or course...

however* when we were out in the field, it was tilleys.

[Fufu_65]

that's so true! ceremonial dress should NOT be worn with a tilley hat.. that's just WRONG :eek:



vanessa..ur a loser..lol...but that's right imagine wearing ur gunshirt with a nasty tilly..lol...*o the horror..*

-SS

[condor888000]

There are two good ways to wear a tilley:
1) String pulled in tight at back of neck,
2) String tucked up inside so if you're told to put it under your chin you can until that staff is out of sight. :D

[TWoyma]

I personally rather where the little white Giligan's Island style tilleys the USN wears.

I have absolutely no idea what cover you're talking about...

[Tomtom]

It's a well known fact that darker colors absorb and become more heated than lighter colors. Therefore making your head hotter. Which could have a big long list of chain reactions.


Okay so the material gets hotter. I am trying to say that the difference is insignificant. Any hat will do you well, no matter what colour it is. I just believe there should be more emphases on professional aspect of the uniform.

I read an article in the paper. (not sure what town) but they had a picture of an air cadet unit in their dress uniform, participating in the parade, wearing their tilly hats.

They should match the uniform, or they should be for sports wear only.
That's my opinion.

[Tomtom]

There are two good ways to wear a tilley:
1) String pulled in tight at back of neck,
2) String tucked up inside so if you're told to put it under your chin you can until that staff is out of sight. :D


Those are the only two ways we wear our Tilly's. Unless it's windy and we need the string under our chin.

[SmileForMe]

The material gets hotter, making your head hotter.. making the cadets prone to things like heatstroke and what not. And IMO the tilley hats do look professional when worn appropriately, like with work dress, and the strings pulled back. Or of course, with PT gear.

:)

[N. McKay]

I have absolutely no idea what cover you're talking about...

The dixie cup, I presume.

[TWoyma]

The dixie cup, I presume.

That's what I'm thinking, too. Of course, seeing as how the dixie cup (aka 'white hat') is equivalent to a white top, any sailor (or cadet) wearing one like Gilligan would find himself getting spoken to in short order.

"Yes, Master Chief...no, Master Chief...no excuse, Master Chief..."
:D

[piper]

Tilley hat is...functional, useful and cheap. Perfect for cadet use. And tilley hats with dress uniform??? One thing the hat is not is professional looking.

[peaceflag]

i really like my tilley hat because:
1) it's protective and 2) i think it looks kind of cute- on some ppl lol. We have to have ours tied up at the back and it looks nice when they are. I went to a sports event this morning and half of 8 corps didn't wear all of their pt gear. i didn't see one tilley hat. most people were just wearing normal shorts and exercise pants. As for my whitetop, i feel proud when it's on, especially with the chinstay, but it gives me headaches when we do drill for three periods in a row. What can i say? i'm proud of my corps!

[smiley_sweet_heart]

wow, it seems as if i am one of the only people who despises tilleys.... I understand that they are protecting you from the suns harmfull rays, and i suppose that my opinion will be somewhat biast considering that i dont burn.... and have never really had to worry about getting burnt if i didnt wear a hat.....and actually i found that sunscreen works better, because i dont know if any of you have seen people after they're first or second week of D&C but they have the whole top half of thier face= normal colour, bottom half bright red.....Plus they dont seem to fit right, i mean the S M L thing, yea it just leaves people...well myself anyways with a bunch of left over material on it which makes it look floppy and very sloppy (not meant to rhyme....) and the idea of having teh stings tight behind your head...well i dont know about other girls but even though my hair was gelled up i always seemed to get hair caught in the lil plastic piece that tightens it. Well anyways i personally dont like either of the alternatives give, although they would both be as practical.

[SmileForMe]

well i dont know about other girls but even though my hair was gelled up i always seemed to get hair caught in the lil plastic piece that tightens it. Well anyways i personally dont like either of the alternatives give, although they would both be as practical.

I'd like to know how this happens? Because if you tighten the strings to the back of the tilley, it wouldn't come in contact with your hair?? I'm a bit confused by this..

[/|-Beaver-|\]

The Tilly hat...... BRings back so many memories at greenwood. When i was last there i remember everybody hated the tilly hats because they wernt cool. Some cadets traded them for money i remember ?? lol but when the flight staff asked them where they were they were like "ahhhhhh i left it at my barrekks" and then they would go steel one. But anyways... I think the tilly hat does the job because it keeps the sun off your head. And when your on perade when the wind starts blowing and if it blows off your head.... The rope catchs it form blowing away from you. And the officers dont have to chase accross the perade square to get a dumb tilly hat. Well im rambling on so thats pretty much all i had to say about the tilly hat. "Tilly the silly hat" :D

[Sgt_McWatt]

Although I agree that the possible replacements you showed where out of the question not plausible, I believe that the tilly had can be replaced especially if you are on a course such as adventure or expedition where you need to do cam and concealment a bright kaki tilly is not very useful.

[Walsh]

That's what I'm thinking, too. Of course, seeing as how the dixie cup (aka 'white hat') is equivalent to a white top, any sailor (or cadet) wearing one like Gilligan would find himself getting spoken to in short order.

"Yes, Master Chief...no, Master Chief...no excuse, Master Chief..."
:D
Why are we talking about Halo...

Yes, the "Dixie Cup" is what I am refeering to if it is like this.
http://store5.yimg.com/I/lonesailorshipstore_1786_6402797

Thanks for telling me what its called I never knew.

[SmileForMe]

Yes, the "Dixie Cup" is what I am refeering to if it is like this.
http://store5.yimg.com/I/lonesailorshipstore_1786_6402797

Thanks for telling me what its called I never knew.

I own one :D Hahaha..

[Gungod]

And it also is uncomfortable and disgusting, as it does not breath.

I personally rather where the little white Giligan's Island style tilleys the USN wears.


That is the first time I have heard someone complain about the whitetop. Do you have an odd shaped head?

[BMaloney]

The White Top was the thing that attracted me to Sea Cadets in the first place. (Sad, I know.) That 'dixie cup' thing just doesn't work for me.. Far too American for my Canadian Sea Cadetness.. :)

[SmileForMe]

The white top is a big reason I joined back then too. LOL As sad as that sounds, but I didn't like the army uniform (the only other option in my town). But of course, after I was in it for some time I realize there was more to sea cadets than the white top :D Haha..

[Caz]

The white top is a big reason I joined back then too. LOL As sad as that sounds, but I didn't like the army uniform (the only other option in my town). But of course, after I was in it for some time I realize there was more to sea cadets than the white top :D Haha.. Hey, whatever gets you in the door!

-R.

[SmileForMe]

Hey, whatever gets you in the door!

-R.

Haha that is very true Sir!! :D
Now mind you, my reasons for going CIC weren't the same LOL. :D

[Pilot]

Frankly, although they may not be stylish, the tilley was implemented for health reasons.

They cover the body much better than the old trucker style hat, and are also much more suitable to field type operations that the traditional elemental headresses (say that 10 times fast!)

[BandBabe118]

I think that tilley's should not be tied up. I know they look really silly like that, but when their tied up your ears still burn! I know they like to tie them up out west, but at acadia sillyness and safe ears predominate!
what are you talking about... at quadra my division was told we weren't allowed to tie them up... I went to acadia and we were told that we HAD to:(... I hate having them up it just feels so odd (and it looks odd too)

BL

[Coomber 535]

I like the tilley's too. They're nice b/c they're floppy and you could stick it in your backpack (or pocket) without fear of it being destroyed.

Of course I have two when at camp... one that's nicely starched and looks good... for when I know I'll be wearing it all day. And the other for sticking in my backpack/pocket when i'm in a building/mess hall.

Try putting your white top in your pocket! :eek:

[Walsh]

That is the first time I have heard someone complain about the whitetop. Do you have an odd shaped head?
No, my head is perfectly normal thank you. What do you think I am some sort of mutant with a octagonal head?

[BandBabe118]

Try putting your white top in your pocket! :eek:I'll try that sometime:)

BL

[Coomber 535]

I'll try that sometime:)

BL

Act suprised when someone asks you, "Is that a white top in your pocket, or..." Well, you know the rest.

[BandBabe118]

Act suprised when someone asks you, "Is that a white top in your pocket, or..." Well, you know the rest. I don't know if my pockets will be quite big enough, but I have a small enough head so... I'll act as surprised as I can;)

BL

[Fufu_65]

No, my head is perfectly normal thank you. What do you think I am some sort of mutant with a octagonal head?
haha...actually yes..i do think of u as some mutant with an octogonal head

-SS

[Lola]

But it does tend to look awfully sloppy when worn with ceremonial dress.

I agree. I can't remember exactly, but I think HMCS Qu'Appelle had a couple parades with cadets in tilleys, and I just shuddered at the sight. Personally, I think white tops should be worn at all times on base, unless you're doing something in bush, or something with ropes and pullies that the bosns do(darn! I used to remember the name of it! :o ). That's just my preference.

However, given the choice between ball caps and tilley hats, I would take the tilley because it fits my head and the caps do not.

[edmonds]

i dont mind the tilleys... except when you have to wear them indoors constantly for 3 weeks...

[GoGunz]

I like wearing the tilley hat. I remember in GT when I had to wear those black baseball caps, with the anchor and the mesh back, they looked rediculous, and not only that, but they don't protect the back of your neck from the sun. They Tilley caps are also more comfortable to wear, and they are easier to carry in the back of your shorts than a rigid baseball cap :rolleyes: .

[runnerchica]

Yeah. Like I said, I don't mind the tilley hats. Not hot but they work and you get used to them. At every CSTC I've been too there's been a different standard for the hats. I really wish there was something in place.

[JCOY]

ha ha ha.....your seconf option reminds me alot of pith helmets blackdown mil band wore for sunset MANY times... i remeber trying to march in those were difficult! and the huge brimmed ones just seem impratical...and could you imagine wearing gumbies with those silly looking things :S and we dont have to be worried about looking like soldiers....were cadets...

[Zedic]

The pith helmets were definatly my favourite headress ..... the fact that the padding over the screw had fallen out made it so much more comfortable (extreme sarcasm).

[CONtroversial_subject]

The Tilley hats rule. I wouldn't have wanted to do AI without my tilley hat.