Top cadet?

[Cee Jay]

I was just wondering if anyone thinks that someone of this capability should earn a top level cadet award.. for sea cadets

Someone who can't do proper drill
Can't do rifle drill or monkey drill
Can't shoot
Has not been to one manditory camping or sailing weekend
Can't sail
Has not been to one manditory perade
Doesn't always wear their uniform to cadets... and when he/she does...
Gets their parents to do their uniform
Skips mandiroty training nights
Is only on one extra cadetular team... but dropped it
Doesn't go to all extra practices

Does this sound like someone who should recieve a top third year award to you???
Tell me what you think

[PWRR British Cadet]

No if anything sounds like they need a right slap.

[Gungod]

Ofcourse the answer would be NO..


A reminder to you is at CW we do not air dirty Corps laundry. I will not have any problem deleting this entire thread if it turns the wrong way.

[sassy17]

I think your right about everything but the camp thing shouldn't matter maybe they are not allowed to or they have a job or something .

[PWRR British Cadet]

That kind of thing can be very frustrating, especially when you yourself feel that you have worked harder than that person. I know that when i work hard at cadets and put effort into what i am doing...if someone else comes and takes the credit, for it, or the teams work then i make sure the right people know who did what. That way the credit can be paid the the people who deserve it and not people who sponge off others.

[katielloyd]

Even though this person might not "deserve" the top cadet award, the award may make them change their ways. A lot of CO's will use awards as an incentive to make a cadet work harder, because they now have to prove that they deserve the award. It might not be fair to the people who worked hard to get the award but it is an effective tactic.

[PWRR British Cadet]

Yes but then people who do work hard will turn round and say what the is the point. I work hard, i put the effort in and someone who does nothing gets the top award. no i don't think so. May be your opinion so fair enough but i disagree.

[Cee Jay]

A reminder to you is at CW we do not air dirty Corps laundry. I will not have any problem deleting this entire thread if it turns the wrong way.

I was not posting to 'air sirty corps laundry', as u put it... just to vent..



I think your right about everything but the camp thing shouldn't matter maybe they are not allowed to or they have a job or something .
I didn't say anythign about camp :confused:



A lot of CO's will use awards as an incentive to make a cadet work harder,
If that is what the CO's are doing, then why should myself and other's work our butts off to get the award... we may as well sit around, be slack, suck, and do nothing all year.. THEN maybe we'll get the awards

[Jenelle67]

Yes but then people who do work hard will turn round and say what the is the point. I work hard, i put the effort in and someone who does nothing gets the top award. no i don't think so. May be your opinion so fair enough but i disagree.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[Lt(N) Jean Cyr]

I was not posting to 'air dirty corps laundry', as u put it... just to vent..

It amounts to the same thing. Your location is shown and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what corps you belong to.



If that is what the CO's are doing, then why should myself and other's work our butts off to get the award... we may as well sit around, be slack, suck, and do nothing all year.. THEN maybe we'll get the awards

You don't know if that's what the COs are doing, and now you're generalizing. There are not enough awards in most corps for everyone to receive one, and the choosing of awards is difficult at best. You just come across as sounding bitter. Grow up. :)

J

[PWRR British Cadet]

Sorry Ma'am but i believe he said IF the COs were doing that...not that they were. He doesn't sound bitter, just pe'ed off and i don't blame him.

[Thib]

monkey drill


I don't think that the monkey drill should be part of the criteria that is use to choose best cadet. It's not in any books (if I remember correcly) and I don't think cadet should be doing it (I'll stop now, not wanting to turn this thread about monkey drill)

[CKeenan]

see, that's why you should transfer to the air element! :p

[Cee Jay]

Sorry Ma'am but i believe he said IF the COs were doing that...not that they were. He doesn't sound bitter, just pe'ed off and i don't blame him.

LoL thanks for the back up but... he.. is a she :p

[Cee Jay]

You just come across as sounding bitter. Grow up. :)

J

I may sound bitter... but im just seeing what people think about the way things are working the corps these days! It's wrong!

[PWRR British Cadet]

whoops. oh well i get that all the time too online. lol. sorry. lol

[Agnew]

Ofcourse the answer would be NO..


A reminder to you is at CW we do not air dirty Corps laundry. I will not have any problem deleting this entire thread if it turns the wrong way.
Can we clean it? I don't see the point in airing out dirt laundry.. lol..j/k..don't hurt me :(

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Anyways. I think corps should have input from the Sr NCO's on what awards should be handed out. The only time I see officers around the cadets is; on parade, teaching, FTXs, extra-curricular activities(Biathlon,Band,etc). Not many other times. Where as the Sr NCOs should be around them a lot more.

I know at our final, it was pretty good. But I know there were a few awards that were handed out, just to be handed out. Like at some corps, they just hand out the RCLME and LSM every year, just because they can. Although, our corps hasn't handed medals out for a few years, and I've seen quite a few people who would deserve such a thing. But meh, that's one of the many pleasures of being a cadet. :p

[Lt(N) Jean Cyr]

I may sound bitter... but im just seeing what people think about the way things are working the corps these days! It's wrong!

If that was your goal...you missed ;)

Your question would have had more ooomph if you'd asked about criteria for awards and how they are determined in various units. I maintain,...you sound cranky that you didn't win something you felt you deserved and it's unfortunate....and unbecoming IMO. Being gracious is part of growing.

J

[PWRR British Cadet]

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Anyways. I think corps should have input from the Sr NCO's on what awards should be handed out. The only time I see officers around the cadets is; on parade, teaching, FTXs, extra-curricular activities(Biathlon,Band,etc). Not many other times. Where as the Sr NCOs should be around them a lot more.

I know at our final, it was pretty good. But I know there were a few awards that were handed out, just to be handed out. Like at some corps, they just hand out the RCLME and LSM every year, just because they can. Although, our corps hasn't handed medals out for a few years, and I've seen quite a few people who would deserve such a thing. But meh, that's one of the many pleasures of being a cadet. :p

Yeah i mean over here at our detachment, the cadets actually vote for who they believe should get an award. Only certain awards tho. Instructors discuss on who should get particular senoir awards. Much better.

[ArmyBoatswain]

If the cadet shows the criteria you listed Ceejay, than definately not! And CO's should not use awards to get a cadet to work harder. They should give them to the people that actually deserve them, because than people will think "Gee, I want to just like that cadet because obviously they're a good cadet" And the people who bust their butts have something to show for it.

[Cee Jay]

Thanks to the people who get what im saying!

[sassy17]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sassy17
I think your right about everything but the camp thing shouldn't matter maybe they are not allowed to or they have a job or something .

I didn't say anythign about camp :confused:


:o I'm slow sorry just skimming not fully reading things through so i guess that i would agree with everything you said :o

[GoGunz]

I guess thats just he way life is, it isn't always fair. Don't let it discourage you, keep up your good work, if YOU are truly deserving of that award, your efforts won't go unrecognized forever; and if the other cadet ISN't deserving again next year, they aren't going to give the award to her again, to give her an award, hoping she'll smarten up two years in a row isn't likely!

[ArmyBoatswain]

Good point. Now, for my continuing to bust my butt for that award! MUAH HA HA! MUAH HA HA! MUAH HA HA! MUAH HA HA!!!Ok, I'll stop now...I'm freaking myself out...

[Cee Jay]

Your freaking us out too!!!!! lol jjk

[Lorenza]

They really shouldn't get it at all! Sounds like they should just start over their whole cadet career :( .

[Sarah209]

Cee Jay, I really know how you feel...but in the end of it all, if you work hard you will get what you deserve!!!... and no, I really don't think people should win awards if they have all those things you listed...because it has happens here sometimes, but as sumone said before maybe its trying to get them to do better or whatever...but I can side with you on this one... just let it be..I had to.

[The Blue Tory]

I was just wondering if anyone thinks that someone of this capability should earn a top level cadet award.. for sea cadets

Someone who can't do proper drill
Can't do rifle drill or monkey drill
Can't shoot
Has not been to one manditory camping or sailing weekend
Can't sail
Has not been to one manditory perade
Doesn't always wear their uniform to cadets... and when he/she does...
Gets their parents to do their uniform
Skips mandiroty training nights
Is only on one extra cadetular team... but dropped it
Doesn't go to all extra practices

Does this sound like someone who should recieve a top third year award to you???
Tell me what you think
sounds to me like you are "airing dirty laundry" which is a nono!

[Dick]

I never recieved any "top level" awards in my cadet career, however I did become a WO1, and consequentially, cadet sqn commander. Think about that :)

There is still hope for you yet.

[Scoopable]

Cadet politics are horrid, there is a guy here at the gliding centre who was in cadets his whole teen years, and was never given his wings because of the politics, and now he is one of the best piltos around here, sure he lands long (he would prolly hit me for that lol) but stikll i mean if you do not get something in cadets and it goes to someone who does not deserve it, jsut suck it up, and know taht you did deserve it and forget about it, never let that hold you back

[superbrownie]

You probably wanted this award more than anything...and probably worked quite hard...It happens...sometimes it may seem like you got "screwed over" but it does happen...I know fantastic cadets who have been in cadets for 6 years and haven't gotten a single award...but they know how hard they work and their peers know as well...they don't care whether the officers recognize it or not, getting a medal or an award to them comes second but the impact they make on the cadets and the example they set for the cadets is more gratifying than any plaque could ever be...it may sound cheesy but its true...and since the officers pick the awards...people can complain all they want, but it wont change a thing...But you can do one thing, be gracious...For me, I have won several awards at first at feels great but I know that that isn't what cadets/annual is all about... Dont let it get to you...take it in stride who knows next year could be YOUR year to steal the show...and good-luck, and I hope this hasnt turned you off or frustrated you of/with cadets.

SB

[ArmyBoatswain]

Hey!!!lol... well... ya I do tend to freak some people out...lol

[Dizzum]

maybe the cadet got it based on their personality, attitude about cadets and attitude towards other cadets and their leadership qualities. It sure seems that you do not have a very good attitude and a good leader would not slander someone else and say they don't deserve a certain award.

[Cee Jay]

i normaly do have a good additude.. and good leadership qualities... but right about now.. i dont.. and im pretty sure u'd be a bit ticked off too.. think about it

[Cee Jay]

PS..... someone close this!

[Lance]

sounds to me like you are "airing dirty laundry" which is a nono!

GG's a big boy, Tak, he can back himself up ;)

[Cheryl Tucker]

My only opinion in this is that I'm sure there is a reason for it (whether it be a good or bad one) and that being able to shoot should not be a criteria. All because somebody is not the best marksmen doesnt make them a bad cadet. Same thing with sailing. All because s/he isnt the best at sailing again doesnt make them a bad cadet.

[GoGunz!]

I think whomever wins awards for whatever reason, there is always someone who complain. Because say you received the award,I'm sure you have good and bad points about how you work as a cadet to. As did this person who won the award. I used to think my CO was really bias when choosing the awards to, but we decided to talk to him about it, he sat down and told us the reasons why he gave the awards and we really understood. Thats why when people think they should have gotten the award, then hey maybe you know your a good cadet, but more then likely, not the only good cadet. Just keep working hard, I'm sure your hard work will pay off, and if not right now, then maybe further down the road, its not the time to give up, its time to work even harder. Good Luck :)