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Ching
3rd June 2004, 15:57
Fill in the blank!
condor888000
3rd June 2004, 16:45
Yes, we need legal pot, not enough people do it already. :rolleyes:
I thought the world had legal pot...
Nitrane
3rd June 2004, 17:03
this is really starting to get ridiculous, to the point that it's annoying. There must be at least a dozen of these polls now, polls that serve no purpose but to give me that urge to stand crooning while smashing my head with bricks. Just thought you'd all like to know.
The Blue Tory
3rd June 2004, 19:39
this is really starting to get ridiculous, to the point that it's annoying. There must be at least a dozen of these polls now, polls that serve no purpose but to give me that urge to stand crooning while smashing my head with bricks. Just thought you'd all like to know.
why do you think i made a poll about too many polls
HammerOfHope
3rd June 2004, 19:59
this is really starting to get ridiculous, to the point that it's annoying. There must be at least a dozen of these polls now, polls that serve no purpose but to give me that urge to stand crooning while smashing my head with bricks. Just thought you'd all like to know.
No way dude, checkbox polls are critical. I'm not gonna stop you with the bricks, though ;)
Nitrane
3rd June 2004, 20:54
No way dude, checkbox polls are critical. I'm not gonna stop you with the bricks, though ;)
remind me to forward you the medical bills
Nitrane
3rd June 2004, 20:56
No way dude, checkbox polls are critical. I'm not gonna stop you with the bricks, though ;)
Oh and are they really critical? Sure, they're handy dandy to use in certain situations, but do we really need to know how many people prefer ostriches over exploding penguins? because I'm sure I could post a poll about that and it too would recieve rave reviews
The Blue Tory
3rd June 2004, 21:00
2 things the world needs more of:
1. pie
2. elk
HammerOfHope
3rd June 2004, 21:22
Oh and are they really critical? Sure, they're handy dandy to use in certain situations, but do we really need to know how many people prefer ostriches over exploding penguins? because I'm sure I could post a poll about that and it too would recieve rave reviews
Absolutely. Polite and just society demands exactly that kind of information.
wb256
3rd June 2004, 21:29
Yes, we need legal pot, not enough people do it already. :rolleyes:
I don;'t think legalizing it will result in that many more people doing it. No one's really afraid of pot laws anymore (at least, not in canada).
Those who smoke it now will continue to, maybe just be a bit more public...those who don't will continue to not.
wb256
3rd June 2004, 21:30
this is really starting to get ridiculous, to the point that it's annoying. There must be at least a dozen of these polls now, polls that serve no purpose but to give me that urge to stand crooning while smashing my head with bricks. Just thought you'd all like to know.
If it REALLY bothers you that much, you do have the option of not viewing these threads. Just a suggestion...but hey, what do I know?
Nitrane
3rd June 2004, 21:33
Absolutely. Polite and just society demands exactly that kind of information.
Excuse me? Polite? Just? Please sir can you explain why a polite and just society needs to know the difference or society's take on such a useless topic. Because if you can tell me, then I'll take it all back.
Nitrane
3rd June 2004, 21:36
If it REALLY bothers you that much, you do have the option of not viewing these threads. Just a suggestion...but hey, what do I know?
It doesn't bother me that much, and how am I to know which threads/polls are going to turn out ridiculous when they have an inneocent name/heading that fails to even hint at what I'll find inside? Or is this just a general suggestion from you to me to stop posting, or looking at all? If thats the case, then truly I apologize for offering up my opinion.
The Blue Tory
3rd June 2004, 21:43
The world needs to relax and less uptight... TOO MUCH POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IN THE WORLD!!!
ex: it is a Christmas tree not a holiday tree
HammerOfHope
3rd June 2004, 21:50
Excuse me? Polite? Just? Please sir can you explain why a polite and just society needs to know the difference or society's take on such a useless topic. Because if you can tell me, then I'll take it all back.
Nitrane, meet my friend Sarcasm. Sarcasm, this is Nitrane. Now that the introductions are out of the way... well, that's about it.
Nitrane
3rd June 2004, 21:55
Nitrane, meet my friend Sarcasm. Sarcasm, this is Nitrane. Now that the introductions are out of the way... well, that's about it.
excuse me while I check in to emergency... new case of foot in mouth disease. apologies.
Agnew
4th June 2004, 00:55
Am I in the right place. Is this or is this not II? Back in the day(well, old CW when I was there) if someone was to post something that even resembled funny, especially if you weren't a 'regular', the II posee would chase you down and beat you with a stick... (Unless that kid had a stutter..:p ).
Like this one time.. there was this thread, and I thought 'well, I guess I could read it.' And I was intrigued, so I posted, but it wasn't a loooooonnnnggg post like most of the others, and it didn't have the same tone the others did. It was more of an attempt at funniness. Anyways.. they told me never to come back, and that my humour isn't wanted there. Or something to that affect. Hmm...
One last thing... I... Hate... Elk. Come on, what is up with CW and Elk? Is that like CWs logo or something? I remeber the 'Elk' thread, but... the Elk is dead, so stop beating it! (haha, you get that, dead elk..dead horse, HAHAHAHA....haha...a..)
Ching
4th June 2004, 06:15
Am I in the right place. Is this or is this not II? Back in the day(well, old CW when I was there) if someone was to post something that even resembled funny, especially if you weren't a 'regular', the II posee would chase you down and beat you with a stick... (Unless that kid had a stutter..:p ).
I'm a regular. And it IS an international issue: I put "world" in the title.
On a side note, if you all would just post in the serious topics when I"m on CW, I wouldn't get so bored that I"d have to make silly polls. It's your fault, not mine. :)
One last thing... I... Hate... Elk. Come on, what is up with CW and Elk? Is that like CWs logo or something? I remeber the 'Elk' thread, but... the Elk is dead, so stop beating it! (haha, you get that, dead elk..dead horse, HAHAHAHA....haha...a..)
BAHAHAHA
funny. :)
condor888000
4th June 2004, 06:22
This is crazy, why does it matter if there are too many polls? If you don't like it, don't read them.
The Blue Tory
4th June 2004, 10:35
This is crazy, why does it matter if there are too many polls? If you don't like it, don't read them.
they take up space, pushing down threads
And Agnew we don't beat Emily...
because she has a stutter, and is just so unbelievably popular!
Tomtom
4th June 2004, 15:10
Am I in the right place. Is this or is this not II? Back in the day(well, old CW when I was there) if someone was to post something that even resembled funny, especially if you weren't a 'regular', the II posee would chase you down and beat you with a stick... Anyways.. they told me never to come back, and that my humour isn't wanted there. Or something to that affect. Hmm...
Well, there's a new sheriff in town.... *crazy western music*
International Issues is a form for discussing, International Issues, Social Issues, and Controversial subjects... (no, not you Letain). Humour is also welcome, in moderation.
And..
What's the difference between a useless poll and a useless thread?
Tracker
4th June 2004, 15:53
What the world needs now...
Is love, sweet love. It's the only thing that there's just too little of.
*bow*
No seriously, the world needs to get it's head out of it's azz and lighten up. Legalizing pot would make our lives one big 'dazed and confused' scene. Which wouldn't be too bad. Dibs on David Wooderson!
M. Ward
4th June 2004, 15:56
What's the difference between a useless poll and a useless thread?
One's a poll, one's a thread.
condor888000
4th June 2004, 15:57
And both take up space!
Ching
4th June 2004, 18:43
because she has a stutter,
Lies! Crazy Rightwing lies!
I don't have a stutter. :p
But I am unbelievably popular! :cool:
lol.
What the world needs now is Belgian waffles... or, at least, that's what I need now.
piper
4th June 2004, 18:46
The world needs less stupid people. The world is full of them, especially here in Ottawa. You would not belive the stupidness shown by this city's citizens on a daily basis...
Ching
4th June 2004, 19:21
Yeah, less stupid people would be nice...
The Blue Tory
4th June 2004, 20:24
Lies! Crazy Rightwing lies!
I don't have a stutter. :p
But I am unbelievably popular! :cool:
lol.
What the world needs now is Belgian waffles... or, at least, that's what I need now.
Ok fine... you're just "special"
condor888000
5th June 2004, 09:46
The world needs less stupid people. The world is full of them, especially here in Ottawa. You would not belive the stupidness shown by this city's citizens on a daily basis...
You got that right...
wb256
5th June 2004, 10:36
Am I in the right place. Is this or is this not II? Back in the day...
Back in the day? You joined in 2003!
condor888000
5th June 2004, 16:30
Let him have his little saying.
ArmyBoatswain
7th June 2004, 05:14
The world needs less stupid people. The world is full of them, especially here in Ottawa. You would not belive the stupidness shown by this city's citizens on a daily basis...
Yeah, us Ottawa people have it bad... We have to many stupid people... But at least we don't live in Toronto... They have it the worst :p
F/Sgt. Steele
7th June 2004, 11:06
there are no stupid people, only ignorance.
my speal: ...The fall of the last superpower: the United States.
Tom999
7th June 2004, 11:56
Oh, I know what the world needs now...
One of those huge "save-the-world" songs featuring as many talentless or washed-up actors, musicians, and politicians expressing how much the world means to them in one last, desperate stab at making it onto the public's radar before they have a heroin overdose in the VIP room of Club 54 :rolleyes:
I mean, it worked for AIDS, right?
The world needs less stupid people. The world is full of them, especially here in Ottawa. You would not belive the stupidness shown by this city's citizens on a daily basis...
This could be interesting.
Do you feel they are just too unintelligent or poorly educated so does the world need a better education system?
Maybe in order to understand Social Economic issues and cultures better?
J. Symes
7th June 2004, 13:40
darn, nora beat me to it. What I was going to say, was that this can actually be turned into an actual thread topic. Like what does the world need? This thread doesn't have to go all to heck just because it was sort of silly.
F/Sgt. Steele
8th June 2004, 12:11
like i said, the fall of the US would solve alot of things.
there would be some minor blips after ajusting but it wouldn't be hard. The Canadian $ might accualy be worth someting afterwards. lol
CKeenan
8th June 2004, 12:28
like i said, the fall of the US would solve alot of things.
there would be some minor blips after ajusting but it wouldn't be hard. The Canadian $ might accualy be worth someting afterwards. lol
not really... every other country fears the US, and if they fall then the world will turn into chaos... who knows... maybe there will even be a World War 3. it's the US who's keeping everything in line.
the canadian dollar was at some point greater than the american dollar, but it was some stupid prime minister (either Brian Mulruny or Pierre Trudeau) who screwed up our economy. DAMN OUR HIPPY FOREFATHERS AND MOTHERS for voting an idiot in!!!!!
wb256
8th June 2004, 12:48
The USA will fall as supreme superpower eventually. There's no reason to think that our current global-political situation is stable in the least.
Also, given the resources and manpower of China, chances are they will emerge as an economic/political superpower within the next little while, likely far stronger than the USA.
CKeenan
8th June 2004, 12:52
Also, given the resources and manpower of China, chances are they will emerge as an economic/political superpower within the next little while, likely far stronger than the USA.
meh... still, the US has been spending millions of dollars into training of special forces... they should be able to take care of the job! (yeah, I know... I play to much video games :p )
M Lambert
8th June 2004, 13:04
i am confused by poll, i dont like the options. love sweet love wont work, if it would, it would already happen, pot cant be legalised, if it was then it wouldnt be "pot" it would be a cigarette with extra stuff, circusses are a no no, i wont give reasons in detail incase people take offence,
now that other choice... far far far too vague, tut tut
:D
wb256
8th June 2004, 13:10
i am confused by poll, i dont like the options. love sweet love wont work, if it would, it would already happen, pot cant be legalised, if it was then it wouldnt be "pot" it would be a cigarette with extra stuff, circusses are a no no, i wont give reasons in detail incase people take offence.
Pot can easily be legalized, and it would still be pot. The government dosn't need to control the production of it.
like i said, the fall of the US would solve alot of things.
there would be some minor blips after ajusting but it wouldn't be hard. The Canadian $ might accualy be worth someting afterwards. lol
I don´t really see those as minor blips. The Americans are Canada´s number one trade partner and if they stopped purchasing from us our dollar would drop dramaticly.
The American Economy is directly linked to the European Economy and many others. If there is a major change in any one of them the others would suffer severly too.
Also despite some current events and some unfortunate political decisions, there are a lot of very positive attributes that the US brings to the world.
Ching
8th June 2004, 17:50
darn, nora beat me to it. What I was going to say, was that this can actually be turned into an actual thread topic. Like what does the world need? This thread doesn't have to go all to heck just because it was sort of silly.
That's kind of what i was hoping for. I just worded it silly because I don't like to take a hard line on things. :)
Ching
8th June 2004, 17:52
the canadian dollar was at some point greater than the american dollar, but it was some stupid prime minister (either Brian Mulruny or Pierre Trudeau) who screwed up our economy. DAMN OUR HIPPY FOREFATHERS AND MOTHERS for voting an idiot in!!!!!
I'm not sure, but I don't think it was either.
And besides, it certainly wasn't the hippies who voted in Brian Mulroney.
meh... still, the US has been spending millions of dollars into training of special forces... they should be able to take care of the job! (yeah, I know... I play to much video games :p )
Special forces aren't going to destroy a conventional army the size of China's....
Let's hope the US and China stay good friends, because we all know what the equalizer would be when one side got the advantage.
wb256
8th June 2004, 19:43
I don´t really see those as minor blips. The Americans are Canada´s number one trade partner and if they stopped purchasing from us our dollar would drop dramaticly.
The American Economy is directly linked to the European Economy and many others. If there is a major change in any one of them the others would suffer severly too.
Also despite some current events and some unfortunate political decisions, there are a lot of very positive attributes that the US brings to the world.
The fall of the USA would likely only come if another nation could match the manufacturing and purchasing power of the USA, and such a nation would need raw matierals (like the stuff our economy is based on).
And there is not that much good that the USA's super power position brings to the world, not economically that's for sure. Free trade rarely means fair trade...the world has simply become one giant colony of the west. Individual nations no longer have exclusive rights to markets in specific areas of the LDW, they've just become two collectives of exploiting and exploited with the USA leading the exploiting side.
The undesirable political decisions go WAY back as well. From waging wars to protect the interests of Bananna farmers in central/south America in the 20's to backing dictators in Chile, the USA has made quite a few less than desirable foreign policy moves.
And of coarse the American economy is directly linked to the entire world's economy, they wage war on you if you don't let them trade! (see: pre world war one Japan).
To top off the list of problems with the way the USA runs the markets, even after giving themselves the title of champions of free trade (free trade, not fair trade...free trade is hardly fair or good for anyone except the exploiters) they turn around and pose tariffs on our softwood lumber! Their pull in the WTO is so blatantly obvious, since it's taking so long for anything to be done about this (and even now that it is, they've only lowered the tariffs, not removed them).
A sudden fall of the current world order wouldn't be good for anyone, but a huge change in the way things are run would be great. Another nation (hopefully with a little better track record for foreign policy) taking on superpower status may help bring about these changes.
NOTE: I am NOT in any way "anti-american". Two of my best friends are Americans and a lot of great people, ideas, art, etc have come from there. I simply disagree with their foreign policy.
F/Sgt. Steele
9th June 2004, 03:57
or their president :D
i still think the fall of the US would be widely benificial.
i think i found an artical on how the US will fall...
here it is! (http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=52)
Tomtom
9th June 2004, 05:33
Are there any Americans here that would like to voice their opinion?
The undesirable political decisions go WAY back as well. From waging wars to protect the interests of Bananna farmers in central/south America in the 20's to backing dictators in Chile, the USA has made quite a few less than desirable foreign policy moves.
There are quite a few nations in the world that have made some rather undesireable political decisions backed tirents or failed to oppose them. Should we be condemning Canadians for stealing the land from the First Nations many years ago too. They were protecting economic interests too.
A sudden fall of the current world order wouldn't be good for anyone, but a huge change in the way things are run would be great. .
I agree some changes do need to happen not over night but slowly a ballance needs to be established.
Another nation (hopefully with a little better track record for foreign policy) taking on superpower status may help bring about these changes.
Nobody needs a superpower,they bring problems, a balance of power is the Ideal, but I can see that in order to get there a superpower may be a stepping stone.
The American foreign policy concerning funding for research of international scientist is amazing. The US, due to funding, has some of the best research facilities in the world. Many of the worlds best scientists reside there and make the greatest scientific advances ( many other countries do too but the states are still one of the world leaders). With the fall of that economic power the funding would stop and scientific research which we all benifit from would suffer greatly.
So how can we honestly say that the ¨Fall¨ of the american economy would be good? I agree that things need to be adjusted but a ¨Fall¨ of any economic power is usually negative.
wb256
9th June 2004, 07:17
There are quite a few nations in the world that have made some rather undesireable political decisions backed tirents or failed to oppose them. Should we be condemning Canadians for stealing the land from the First Nations many years ago too. They were protecting economic interests too.
Simply put, yes, we should. We took land that was shared by many and imposed private property rights upon it. However, at this point it's difficult to find any resolution of the problem, other than the mass extermination of immigrants (obviously not acceptable). I didn't say that other nations didn't have awful foriegn policies as well, it's why I was referring to colonialism (which is where the Native American issue comes into play).
I agree some changes do need to happen not over night but slowly a ballance needs to be established.
Nobody needs a superpower a balance of power is the Ideal any superpower brings about problems.
How exactly is a balance of power better than a superpower? Unless there is a balance of power between all nation-states (which will NEVER happen, the economies and cultures and raw materials present obviously vary across the world - there will always be economic and political inequalities) there will still be the exploited and the exploiting. A balance of power between major world powers is possible, but only for a limited time. One will no doubt gain an economic/political advantage in one way or another, and then you end up with World War One all over again.
The American foreign policy concerning funding for research of international scientist is amazing. The US, due to funding, has some of the best research facilities in the world. Many of the worlds best scientists reside there and make the greatest scientific advances ( many other countries do too but the states are still one of the world leaders). With the fall of that economic power the funding would stop and scientific research which we all benifit from would suffer greatly.
So how can we honestly say that the ¨Fall¨ of the american economy would be good?
Well yes, this research is great for all of us living in the MDW. However, much of this research does little for starving subsitence rice farmers in bangladesh or the farmers being forced to grow GMO Chocolate in Etheopia. The American economy does more harm than good to the LDW, which is where the majority of the world's population currently resides. Therefore, I think it's safe to safe that American foreign policy does more harm than good.
Yes, changes do need to be made, like the end of the MDW exploiting the LDW. The standard of living that we have achieved is unjust, and wealth needs to be distributed more evenly. Obviously people will accuse me of being a hypocrit (but you're using the internet, you're exploiting too). Well, yes I am. However, giving away all of my possessions will solve nothing. I find it more useful to try to change things from the inside (hence pursuing the type of work that I currently am).
Yes.
I am in South America right now, I see here how unjust our world economy is and how many people suffer here. While traveling through the country, I have seen some of the poorest areas where people use sticks and garbage bags to build there houses. Many of these people have no work at all. Then you see people working on Plantations for pennies.
Many of the Brazillian exports are directly linked to the American economy and it does cause much grievens here and causes some of these problems.
You are perfectly right that it is incredibly unjust the way many of these Foreign policies are being implimented and how they affect other countries, and yes throwing away all your belongings does nothing for anyone.
I hope to see some positive changes all our economies in the near future as well as some rewritting of foreign policies...
Tom999
9th June 2004, 11:28
Pot cant be legalised, if it was then it wouldnt be "pot" it would be a cigarette with extra stuff,
:D
Well, if pot was ever legalized, then there would bound to be some new market coming out of it. I mean, I'd expect to see things like, "ganja, extra mild", and "Wacky Tobaccy: The tobacco of the rastas".
Lance
9th June 2004, 11:43
i am confused by poll, i dont like the options. love sweet love wont work, if it would, it would already happen, pot cant be legalised, if it was then it wouldnt be "pot" it would be a cigarette with extra stuff, circusses are a no no, i wont give reasons in detail incase people take offence,
now that other choice... far far far too vague, tut tut
:D
jesus, check OTHER and use your imagination, then tell us all what other is for you. Its not vague at all, its creative... holy crap... what the world needs is MORE IMAGINATION, and more water, and more medecine for dieing citizens of 3rd world countries, more crop land, LESS clear cutting and MORE irrigation fields, LESS desertification and more grazing lands, safer neighbourhoods for kids to grow up in (and i dont mean the hood, I mean like, war torn countries in the middle east and africa), better (and cheaper) education, more jobs, more affordable housing, less taxes, less debts. What the world needs is to look at each other and say "holy ****... we're goin about this ALL WRONG" and then to stop fighting, and work together, so we can enjoy the earth for another billion years... take your pick, I used my imagination for you. Now, is THAT too vague?
piper
9th June 2004, 12:21
And a world wide hand holding circle where all Palestinians are friends with Israelies, everyone loves the West and the KKK and Black Panthers start a combined social club. Its ok to dream, but lets stick to things that have a snowflakes chance in heck of actually happening.
Hoots
9th June 2004, 12:53
yay for legal pot, but remeber, smoking kills
CKeenan
9th June 2004, 13:03
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think that marajujana kills you, it just messes up your ability to think
Ching
9th June 2004, 13:17
And a world wide hand holding circle where all Palestinians are friends with Israelies, everyone loves the West and the KKK and Black Panthers start a combined social club. Its ok to dream, but lets stick to things that have a snowflakes chance in heck of actually happening.
If we don't dream about those things (and put some effort into them), they WON'T have a chance of happening. Dreaming about it is the first step. Martin Luther King had a dream, it's pretty much come true, not quite yet, but massive leaps and bounds have been made over what it was like in his day.
Lance
9th June 2004, 13:44
And a world wide hand holding circle where all Palestinians are friends with Israelies, everyone loves the West and the KKK and Black Panthers start a combined social club. Its ok to dream, but lets stick to things that have a snowflakes chance in heck of actually happening.
why so you can shoot them down too? the reason we cant achieve some of those goals is because a lot of people think like this ^. Im using you as an example Piper, dont takeit personal. If a lot of people thought like you (im sure a great deal do), then of course it doesnt have "a snowflakes chance in heck of actually happening." but if more people were optomisitic about it, maybe it could. Theres nothin wrong with dreamin about world peace, or a world where kids dont die every single day, or where kids dont work for pennies a day stitching a swoosh on your air force ones.
Ching
9th June 2004, 19:10
What the world really needs now is ice cream. Oh wait. That's just me.
I do think that the world needs more circuses, because that would mean more employment for me and people like me.
I do wish it were as simple as just deciding not to fight anymore. It'd be nice. Fighting sucks. So does unnecessary death.
BTW... what was this doing in Cadet Chat, that it got moved back here? -I- didn't put it in CC... :confused:
Pilot
9th June 2004, 20:15
LOVE BABY... s'all about the love :D
Penholdstaff2k4
9th June 2004, 20:50
LOVE BABY... s'all about the love :D
naw a good war just kidding! ITS GOOD AS IT IS!
wb256
10th June 2004, 17:41
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think that marajujana kills you, it just messes up your ability to think
Temporarily, there's no conclusive evidence that it messes up anything permanently, other than your lungs.
Pilot
10th June 2004, 20:54
messing up your lungs isn't cool either... but what do I know..
Lance
10th June 2004, 20:56
okay guys, for the benefit of this thread, lets get back on topic, cause we've all seen how marijuana conversations go on here.
"its good"
"its bad"
"no, its good, whys it bad"
"because a scientist said so"
"thats propaganda"
"thread closed"
So what does everyone else think the world needs?
The Blue Tory
10th June 2004, 21:19
I have no objection to the decriminalization of it, yet I do not necessarily support it either, since it doesn't effect me much...
but if it is decriminalized it has to be for a decent reason... and so that the government can tax it is not a good reason
The Blue Tory
10th June 2004, 21:20
what the world needs... is a set siesta time, so that everyone can get a quick nap during the day
wb256
11th June 2004, 05:37
That reminds me of something I heard Billy Bragg say at the Winnipeg Folk Festival.
Any politician who runs with the promise of reducing the work week from 5 to 4 days (and keeping all the worker's income the same) will win.
Ching
11th June 2004, 07:32
I would totally rather work, say, 9 hour days instead of 8, and have a 3 day weekend.
it'd get MY vote! :D
Actually, right now, I'd rather just have employment. :p
Jiggy
11th June 2004, 09:33
hahaha EMily Im with you. Except i am employed......but I only make about 37 cents an hour..ah Katimavik
WHAT I think the world needs is more artists like Jason....lol, im obsessed
wb256
11th June 2004, 16:31
I just wish I wasn't working at subway! It'd be so nice to be an MNR employee, lol.
The Blue Tory
11th June 2004, 17:06
meh... I do 7 days on, 2 days off...
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