Canada's Federal Election

[Caz]

CBC News - The PMO announced today that Prime Minister Paul Martin will in fact visit the Governor General tomorrow and ask her to dissolve parliament, paving the way for June 28 election.

So, now that the PMO has confirmed this, what's your take? What will the outcome be? What would you like to see happen? Could the country operate with a minority government, or would we be forced back to the polls later this summer?

Are you even going to vote?

-R.

[The Blue Tory]

First lets examine the timing... It is between the weekend and the Canada Day holiday... so some people may be away at the time.

As well there are reports that some Liberals are discouraged to vote by the infighting in their party, and do not wish to vote for a candidate who was appointed, so instead of voting for someone else they'll not vote at all.

Now we shall see how much the scandals will hurt them

This is my prediction here:

Liberal minority government with about a 20 at most seat win over the Conservatives...

I think the Conservatives will take Alberta and the west straight out... as well as some of the more agricultural ridings in Ontario. They will also take them out in several Ontario ridings including a sweep in Mississauga... especially Mississauga Erindale...

Now in Quebec, it will be about 60% will go to the BQ while the Liberals take around 35% of the seats in Quebec...

In the maritimes, aside from Mackay's riding, I expect the Liberals to do somewhat good there...

The NDP will take places like Hamilton and their heartland... but I seriously doubt that their leader will be able to win his seat against Liberal incumbant Dennis Mills

[Caz]

I agree, bad timing. Plus all the CIC that will have to do advance polls, because they'll be at camp!

Why don't you think Layton will win his own seat?

[The Blue Tory]

Dennis Mills is very popular in Toronto...

He contributed greatly to the recovery of the Toronto Tourism industry following the SARS outbreak by kick starting the SARS concert

[Caz]

Gotcha. Do you think Layton, if he loses his riding, will sweep a party member aside to sit in the house?

[The Blue Tory]

Gotcha. Do you think Layton, if he loses his riding, will sweep a party member aside to sit in the house?
he'd probably run for the NDP in the first byelection

[The Blue Tory]

And the writ has been made...

Here we go........

[Caz]

I secretely wanted Her Excellency to go mad with power and not dissolve Parliament ;) Now wouldn't that be a news story?

[The Blue Tory]

I secretely wanted Her Excellency to go mad with power and not dissolve Parliament ;) Now wouldn't that be a news story?
wow same thing!!! I was hoping that exact same thing... And Lloyd Robertson made me think it might happen when he was talking about her ability to do so... lol

[Caz]

Wouldn't it be fun if she decided not to sign legislation?

Anyway... a poll has been added... what do you think the outcome of this election will be?

[JGallagher]

I think the NDP will win. If the Liberals win then it will be by a very short margin.

[Lil Lightnin]

I think the NDP will win.

You think that? Or you want that?
The Liberals will obviously make the next government, and although I'm a CPC supporter, I'm thinking it WILL be another majority government. The two biggest spots will be in BC and Ontario. It seems as if the conservatives have lost support in BC since the last election, where the Liberals will make up ground. Ontario is obivously a key area in ANY election, but it'll be interesting to see how the new conservative party does there.

Should be fun to watch.

[The Blue Tory]

You think that? Or you want that?
The Liberals will obviously make the next government, and although I'm a CPC supporter, I'm thinking it WILL be another majority government. The two biggest spots will be in BC and Ontario. It seems as if the conservatives have lost support in BC since the last election, where the Liberals will make up ground. Ontario is obivously a key area in ANY election, but it'll be interesting to see how the new conservative party does there.

Should be fun to watch.
I think Conservatives will hold BC, and if they lose some it will go to the NDP...

The disoriented Liberal members will go to NDP or Conservative... and the undecided's will either not vote or go NDP since they have the momentum, or Conservative

I think the Conservatives will slip through the cracks and take a minority, if the Liberals don't get the minority

[Neo]

The Liberals will win either a Majority or a Minority, the NDP has a history of teaming up with the Liberal's to ensure a Left of Centre Gov't.

So unless Harper follows up with his willingness to form a coalition with the Bloc Quebecois, which is in my opinion political suciide not to mention a disaster for Canada, the CPC will not be able to form a Gov't.

[The Blue Tory]

Its not going to happen that way...

Martin is a right of centre Liberal... I doubt he'll go with Layton...

It will NOT be a majority... minority YES... Conservative HOPEFULLY

"DEMAND BETTER"

[Lt(N) (ret'd) J. Hillsden]

I don't think the Liberals stand a snowball's chance on a barbeque of winning in BC. However, it really doesn't matter what we vote over here on the left coast - the outcome will have been decided before the polls close here. :rolleyes:

For the record, I think the Consertvatives will take BC but it will be a protest vote. People here are pretty fed up with the Liberals and memories are long enough to keep the NDP out of the running.

[Ching]

What about the memories of our last Conservative Prime Minister?
The one who was so unpopular that his party ended up with enough people in the legislature to fill the front seat of a taxicab?
Say "no" to Conservatives. :)


heck, vote for whomever you want, it's a democracy. :rolleyes:

[Earlam]

What about the memories of our last Conservative Prime Minister?
The one who was so unpopular that his party ended up with enough people in the legislature to fill the front seat of a taxicab?
Say "no" to Conservatives. :)


heck, vote for whomever you want, it's a democracy. :rolleyes:


That's why the entire right-of-centre in Canada keeps changing its name.

PC, Reform, CA, PC/DRC, CPC....... and that's just the last decade.

By the time we're finished, people will want to vote right, but won't know what the right's name is on election day (so they'll vote Liberal, because it's nice to know exactly who's screwing you).

That being said, vote Conservative.

Or let the Liberals scew you over again and again..... it's a democracy.

[The Blue Tory]

wrong!!

Last Conservative PM was Kim Campbell... who was in a very similar situation to Martin... They both became PM after the former retired through leadership conventions... they both succeeded parliamentary idiots...

- Demand Better!

[Ching]

Kim Campbell doesn't count... she didn't hold a full term in office. She didn't have a chance to screw things up, or do anything good.
Paul Martin, on the other hand, has had a similar amount of time in office, and already smells dirty! It's amazing... vote Liberal, they manage time more effectively! :p

[condor888000]

Campbell was PM for 6 months, Martin will have been PM for 7 months. Campbell had all the mistakes made by Mulroney come to light during her short term. Martin is having all the Chretain mistakes come out during his (so far) short term. Campbell's popularity took a deep nose dive before the election. Martin's popularity is starting to go down before the election. See any similarties?

It's most likely going to be a minority government (not that it'll last :rolleyes: ) and hopefully a Conservative one.

[Caz]

Campbell did lose an election. That qualifies her :p

[Bos'n101]

It'll definately be a PQ majority in all provinces{!}
I'm hoping for a Conservative win, but I don't know if the people are ready to change their decade old habits of voting liberal.

[Neo]

A lovely tidbit of information:

"Martin best able to lead 'honest' government: poll"
"Martin outstrips other leaders in capability: poll"
Source: http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/05/24/canada/newmartinpoll040524

So what was Stephen Harper's CPC/Alliance saying that Canadians wanted change? Who are they to think they know what Canadians want... thats why we have elections in the first place.

Liberal Majority, and another 4 years of a CPC/Alliance opposition, thank goodness.

[Ching]

A lovely tidbit of information:

"Martin outstrips other leaders in capability: poll"

Eww... that falls under "Something I didn't want to know" ;)

[Earlam]

Campbell was voted out because people were itching since Mulroney to bury the PC party. It wasn't her, I don't think, but her bad fortune of heading the PCs.

Martin, on the other hand, has been a publically recognizable, influential figure in the Liberal government for over a decade. The problems of the Chretien era are, at least in part, his fault.

People will probably vote Liberal, but it'll hopefully be a minority gov't.

And Chief Neo, there's no reason to use CPC/Alliance, other than to **** Ed off. It's been explained, and I should hope that you understand the simple concept. The CPC is Alliance/PC. It is not the CPC/Alliance. Kapish?

Where was this poll taken? I'd bet good odds on Ontario and Quebec. I would like to see the responses broken down by province, instead of Quebec vs All of Canada (which of course means Ontario).
While the major population centres are here, I think this type of thing ignores a large segment of the population (not to mention most of Canada's geographic mass).

I love that word Reform!

I miss that word Reform.....

[Neo]

And Chief Neo, there's no reason to use CPC/Alliance, other than to **** Ed off. It's been explained, and I should hope that you understand the simple concept. The CPC is Alliance/PC. It is not the CPC/Alliance. Kapish?

It's my viewpoint and opinion, and I still have the freedom to express it. If I feel that it's the CPC/Alliance I can express that I could go on at length to back up my statement on why I feel it's correct to call them the CPC/Alliance.

I'll state my arugment, you state yours, its a nice little thing some of us like to call Democracy.

[Lt (N) Landry]

I don't think the Liberals stand a snowball's chance on a barbeque of winning in BC. However, it really doesn't matter what we vote over here on the left coast - the outcome will have been decided before the polls close here. :rolleyes:

For the record, I think the Consertvatives will take BC but it will be a protest vote. People here are pretty fed up with the Liberals and memories are long enough to keep the NDP out of the running.
I agree completely with Julie. The liberals have been running us into the ground in BC. I am a union worker and I have seen the provincial goverment LIBERAL tear up contracts privatize union jobs and slash budgets that make my job even more dangerous. For example I work in a Jail and when I first started it was 20 inmates to 1 staff member now it is 36 to 1 due to cut backs in regular staff positions on night shift we only get 7 staff on if the count is below 210 if it is higher then it is 8 staff ( the inmates are locked up)
I think it is going to be a very interesting election.

[2659HANSON]

first off, I think that politicians around election time are about as trustworthy as a horny teenage boy on prom night.

I am a leftist and would be very pleased to see the NDP win, however facing reality and history, they wont. But having a minority between two right wing parties?? :eek: :( :eek: :mad: :eek:

I hope that in June the Liberals win, they may be rightwing, but they care about CF more than NDP. But I hope this, I hope that when the Liberals win they will find themselves in a minority with the NDP. The Liberals aren't as crazy as the CPC and the NDP being there to tell them how wrong they are would help the country.

[Neo]

first off, I think that politicians around election time are about as trustworthy as a horny teenage boy on prom night.

Thats a great statement I love it. The politicians of the CPC/Alliance are just as trustworthy as the NDP, the Greens, and the Liberals. But for some reason the CPC/Alliance states again and again, that for all intents and purposes that they are better people then members of the other parties. But they aren't, they are politicans just like the other hundreds of people running for the House of Commons.

[Insane Power Pilot]

You have to look at the poll numbers:


A seat projection prepared by the polling company, based on the new results, says that the Liberals would win a potential 171 to 175 seats in a new Parliament with their 39-per-cent support. The party, under former prime minister Jean Chrétien, won 172 seats in the 2000 election.

At least 155 seats are required to form a majority government in the House of Commons.

The Conservative Party's 26-per-cent support in the latest survey translates into a possible 64 to 68 seats. The NDP would win 10 to 14 seats with its 15-per-cent support.

The best thing I think that could happen is a Liberal majority by the slimmest of margins (i.e. 2 or 3 seats) Nobody should want a minority government...they're unstable, and who's going to want to do business with an unstable country? A slim Liberal majority will ensure that all members will show up to Parliament and work for you. That having been said, I shall be casting my vote for the Conservative Party (even though there is a Liberal sign on my lawn...stupid landlord... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )

[Caz]

Sidebar: Does your landlord live with you? If not, tell him to take it down. You have exclusive right to the premises under Alberta Law, as long as you keep paying rent.

Ref: Residential Tenancies Act

[Insane Power Pilot]

Sidebar: Does your landlord live with you?[/i]

Nopes.....

[The Blue Tory]

You have to look at the poll numbers:



The best thing I think that could happen is a Liberal majority by the slimmest of margins (i.e. 2 or 3 seats) Nobody should want a minority government...they're unstable, and who's going to want to do business with an unstable country? A slim Liberal majority will ensure that all members will show up to Parliament and work for you. That having been said, I shall be casting my vote for the Conservative Party (even though there is a Liberal sign on my lawn...stupid landlord... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )
ask him to put up a Conservative sign... as well...

[Insane Power Pilot]

Well, good news, everyone. There isn't a Liberal sign on my lawn anymore...

...there's a Liberal sign and a BIG FRICKIN LIBERAL BILLBOARD as well!! ACK!! :eek: :mad:

[Caz]

Seriously, call your landlord if you don't like it.

[The Blue Tory]

If I was going to decide who I'd vote for according to the quantity of signs, I'd be voting for a roofing company...

I've seen so many of their signs, which look like small campaign signs everywhere in Mississauga... and in places you'd expect to see campaign signs... Its like the company is running in the election or something...

[AmandaW]

I like Ralph Goodale, and so do alot of people who are in his riding, my area, but alot do not like his party anymore. None the less I still think Goodale will win his seat. I would like to see the conservatives in power, just to see if they could handle this mess any better than the Liberals, and believe me I do not think the Liberals are doing a good job at all. At the same time I think this is going to be a minority government, due to the staunch support of some voters to the person they elected, not necessarily the party. I think this will be a very close election.

[The Blue Tory]

Interesting with the Liberal signs... they have the name big, then have TEAM MARTIN in big letters, then with Liberal in a much smaller less noticable font... Seems like they are trying to leech off of whatever "popularity" the press seems to think Martin has... and down play the fact of being Liberals, which my guess is because of the scandals...

[The Blue Tory]

I was sitting in the car around 1 am or so at my temp security site, listening to CFRB... when this absolutely moronic ignorant person came on and stated that Harper would be harmful to Canada... that isn't the part that ****** me off... this is... the woman said that she fears "Canada will overly fund it's military instead of the other services... resulting in Canada having a large military thus making it a partner in aiding the US attack other nations"

I hate left wingers like that...

[Caz]

Ed, you suffer from tunnel vision.

Why do you put 'popularity' for Martin in quotation marks? He's hitting it up, because despite a drop in the polls, he still commands the popular vote. Nothing technical about it.

And yes, if we pump too much money into the military, then other services will suffer. I don't know about you, but I think breakfast programs for kids who would otherwise go to school hungry are a good thing.

It's all about balance.

[ctjj.stevenson]

Interesting with the Liberal signs... they have the name big, then have TEAM MARTIN in big letters, then with Liberal in a much smaller less noticable font... Seems like they are trying to leech off of whatever "popularity" the press seems to think Martin has... and down play the fact of being Liberals, which my guess is because of the scandals...

I would say that the Right Honourable Prime Minister wants to move away from Jean Chrétien Liberals. The PM keeps on saying that his government is a "new government" and does not want a look of a fourth Liberal mandate.

[Ching]

I was sitting in the car around 1 am or so at my temp security site, listening to CFRB...
Canadian Far Right Broadcasting... that explains a lot...
The problem with that station, apart from everything, is it's all ******ing and no information. It's supposedly a news station, but it's all phone in shows with questions like,
"Do you think that Paul Martin is a scum sucking pinko?"
"Which celebrity do you think is sexy?"
"Don't you hate it when scum sucking pinkos lie to us, cuz they're dirty rotten liars?"

(Okay, 1 and 3 are paraphrased a bit, but #2 is one they spent at least a full hour on.) I can't STAND listening to it, because all this crap is passed off as news.

[Neo]

I happend to hear about TeamMartinSaid.Ca a clever copy of StephenHarperSaid.Ca... hmmm so much for the CPC/Alliance talking about how they were for the issues and the Liberal's were running a "Campaign of fear". I guess the CPC/Alliance is a little fearful of the truth.

More specifically to the what the site contained were several quotes taken out of context, unlike the Liberal's who provided sources AND context. Anyways, trying to make Martin and the Liberal's look like they supported the war (hmm.. didn't the Liberal Government not send Canadian Troops to Iraq?)

Anyways I have selected a quote from the site I think is important:

"I don't think there is any doubt about just how evil Saddam Hussein is."
(Paul Martin, Prime Minister, Calgary Herald, March 7, 2003)

Last time I checked most people agreed that Saddam Hussein was pretty much an evil man, I mean he has killed lots of people, but the issue isn't about whether or not we think Saddam Hussein is Evil. But if Canada should have sent troops, the CPC/Alliance doesn't even know what the issues are in this election, and they think they can govern this entire country?

Another point, under the Iraq Seciton they quote Scott Brison talking about the Iraq war, when he said them, he wasn't even a member of the Liberals.

The CPC/Alliance is trying to mislead Canadians, I hate Right-Wingers Like That. ;)

[The Blue Tory]

I happend to hear about TeamMartinSaid.Ca a clever copy of StephenHarperSaid.Ca... hmmm so much for the CPC/Alliance talking about how they were for the issues and the Liberal's were running a "Campaign of fear". I guess the CPC/Alliance is a little fearful of the truth.

More specifically to the what the site contained were several quotes taken out of context, unlike the Liberal's who provided sources AND context. Anyways, trying to make Martin and the Liberal's look like they supported the war (hmm.. didn't the Liberal Government not send Canadian Troops to Iraq?)

Anyways I have selected a quote from the site I think is important:

"I don't think there is any doubt about just how evil Saddam Hussein is."
(Paul Martin, Prime Minister, Calgary Herald, March 7, 2003)

Last time I checked most people agreed that Saddam Hussein was pretty much an evil man, I mean he has killed lots of people, but the issue isn't about whether or not we think Saddam Hussein is Evil. But if Canada should have sent troops, the CPC/Alliance doesn't even know what the issues are in this election, and they think they can govern this entire country?

Another point, under the Iraq Seciton they quote Scott Brison talking about the Iraq war, when he said them, he wasn't even a member of the Liberals.

The CPC/Alliance is trying to mislead Canadians, I hate Right-Wingers Like That. ;)
WRONG!!! THE F(L)iberals took it all out of context...

[Neo]

WRONG!!! THE F(L)iberals took it all out of context...

I would have to disagree, StephenHarperSaid.ca contains full articles instead of just quotes, and also gives detailed sources.

Can the CPC/Alliance's TeamMartinSaid.ca do the same? No.

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Side Note: All this talk about Liberal Signs must be outside of my riding, the signs for our Liberal Candidate proudly display the Liberal Logo, and no where does it even say "Team Martin".

[The Blue Tory]

I would have to disagree, StephenHarperSaid.ca contains full articles instead of just quotes, and also gives detailed sources.

Can the CPC/Alliance's TeamMartinSaid.ca do the same? No.

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Side Note: All this talk about Liberal Signs must be outside of my riding, the signs for our Liberal Candidate proudly display the Liberal Logo, and no where does it even say "Team Martin".
must be only that one riding then...

[Neo]

must be only that one riding then...

Perhaps... The sign is much better then the ugly signs of the local CPC/Alliance Candidate.

[The Blue Tory]

they're not that bad...

Much better than the NDP signs I've seen...

I saw a green party sign for the first time today...

[Insane Power Pilot]

Side Note: All this talk about Liberal Signs must be outside of my riding, the signs for our Liberal Candidate proudly display the Liberal Logo, and no where does it even say "Team Martin".

I'll send you my Liberal sign in the mail. :cool: It has the words "Team Martin" along with a picture of Mr. Martin. And the local candidates name is somewhere on there too.

[Ching]

That's the way they are in my riding too... maybe your riding is just poor or insignificant or something... :p

[The Blue Tory]

Emily, your leader I am starting to like... he is using one of my new favourite terms...

[Neo]

I'll send you my Liberal sign in the mail. :cool: It has the words "Team Martin" along with a picture of Mr. Martin. And the local candidates name is somewhere on there too.

Oh I'm not saying other ridings don't have the Team Martin section, I'm just saying the ones in my riding doesn't.

[rotchfordj]

I think the liberals will take a majority government.

From NB east is going all red, mainly because Steven Harper is not a friend to the Atlantic provinces. There might be a seat here and there but nothing to talk about. One thing I can guarantee is that Newfoundland is going all red, the PC strongholds of St. John's have now been re aligned making the PC incumbents Norman Doyle and Loyola Hearn at a disadvantage. The only other Tory seat in NL at the moment was won in a by election and that was only to protest the current Liberal provincial government at the time. Ontario will be the mix in the country but the liberals will win the majority there. In QB I think the liberals will beat the bloc out. As for Sask west the Tories will take the most with the NDP and liberals getting a seat here and there.

I predict the liberals to take the majority but 7 seats.

[The Blue Tory]

it won't be majority...

I tell you that...

Not for the Liberals, not for the CPC not for anyone...

[Feeloo]

In QB I think the liberals will beat the bloc out.

Of course, with the bloc having a 10 points lead over the liberals, it will happen...

Reality: unless Duceppe does something stupid (going in a shop wearing something stupid maybe) or Martin revives the Quebec liberal flame, the bloc will sweep the province. It would have been a different story 5 or 6 months ago, but with everything that happened, the Bloc has gained momentum in the province. (Don't ask me why though, they're the poorest representative this province can elect...)

[wb256]

I was sitting in the car around 1 am or so at my temp security site, listening to CFRB... when this absolutely moronic ignorant person came on and stated that Harper would be harmful to Canada... that isn't the part that ****** me off... this is... the woman said that she fears "Canada will overly fund it's military instead of the other services... resulting in Canada having a large military thus making it a partner in aiding the US attack other nations"

I hate left wingers like that...


Well then, I guess you hate me :p

Canada's biggest concern right now shouldn't be a large over funded military (in my opinion). There's other social programs that need work, and other issues the government needs to worry about.

As for the CPC/Alliance (I can find little traces of a once great party in this new one...I don't think the PC platform had any influence), I don't feel the need to vote for a party who's entire platform seems to be based on taking stabs at the liberals. Also, their views on some issues are way too extream for me (or just...way too wrong).

Whenever I read trancsripts in the house of commons, all of their MPs come across as ignorant and loudmouthed.

The PC party on the other hand (although I disagreed with many of their ideals and policies), seemed to be more level headed and...well...sane. This new party just scares me.

[Canadian Made]

I hate politics... I hate politicians... actually... I don't hate politicians, they're jus trying to earn a living like the most of us I suspect... what I do hate, is not being able to trust the lies they say, cuz half of em ain't true anyway... one party bashes the other an vice versa... instead of focussing on "This is what I can do for u" or "I hate to say it, we're screwed, here's the only way out of it" they focus more on "Well, so an so's an idiot"... almost reminds me of preschool that way... "I'm gonna tell my mommy on you" an "Yer not my friend no more"... I never kno who to vote for cuz I never kno who is actually gonna stay true to their word... even at the provincial level.. Our provincial government (Headed by Dalton McGuinty) signed a contract sayin he would freeze taxes if elected... SIGNED A CONTRACT !! IN BLACK AN WHITE !! An it STILL got broken an dismissed as soon as he took over... Nothin makes sense to me anymore... so the only real opinion I have on this, is I'd like to see anyone but the Liberals take over... Liberal is the only thing I've known, an I'd like to see if someone can do it better... oh an also... if anyone feels they have enuf time to educate me on politics an help me understand it all... feel free to get a hold of me...

[wb256]

Our provincial government (Headed by Dalton McGuinty) signed a contract sayin he would freeze taxes if elected... SIGNED A CONTRACT !! IN BLACK AN WHITE !! An it STILL got broken an dismissed as soon as he took over... Nothin makes sense to me anymore... so the only real opinion I have on this, is I'd like to see anyone but the Liberals take over... Liberal is the only thing I've known, an I'd like to see if someone can do it better... oh an also... if anyone feels they have enuf time to educate me on politics an help me understand it all... feel free to get a hold of me...


The provincial parties and the federal parties are NOT related. Hating the federal Liberals because the provincial ones suck is like hating Bob Dylan because you don't like Bob Geldof's music. They have the same name, but they're not really related.

[The Blue Tory]

I hate politics... I hate politicians... actually... I don't hate politicians, they're jus trying to earn a living like the most of us I suspect... what I do hate, is not being able to trust the lies they say, cuz half of em ain't true anyway... one party bashes the other an vice versa... instead of focussing on "This is what I can do for u" or "I hate to say it, we're screwed, here's the only way out of it" they focus more on "Well, so an so's an idiot"... almost reminds me of preschool that way... "I'm gonna tell my mommy on you" an "Yer not my friend no more"... I never kno who to vote for cuz I never kno who is actually gonna stay true to their word... even at the provincial level.. Our provincial government (Headed by Dalton McGuinty) signed a contract sayin he would freeze taxes if elected... SIGNED A CONTRACT !! IN BLACK AN WHITE !! An it STILL got broken an dismissed as soon as he took over... Nothin makes sense to me anymore... so the only real opinion I have on this, is I'd like to see anyone but the Liberals take over... Liberal is the only thing I've known, an I'd like to see if someone can do it better... oh an also... if anyone feels they have enuf time to educate me on politics an help me understand it all... feel free to get a hold of me...
god bless people like you... who don't know the difference...

[jhunter]

The PC party on the other hand (although I disagreed with many of their ideals and policies), seemed to be more level headed and...well...sane. This new party just scares me.

That's because there's a lot of reformers in the party. Yes, Reform can be scary.


SIGNED A CONTRACT !! IN BLACK AN WHITE !! An it STILL got broken an dismissed as soon as he took over...

A contract can not exist of only negative convenants. There are several parts to a contract, and from what you describe it at least lacks consideration.

[Canadian Made]

The provincial parties and the federal parties are NOT related. Hating the federal Liberals because the provincial ones suck is like hating Bob Dylan because you don't like Bob Geldof's music. They have the same name, but they're not really related.

The connection I was making, was the fact that no matter what party u are, no matter what level they are.... they all lie the same regardless... it's a mudslinging match... they're untrustworthy... I kno the prov. an fed. levels have nothing to do with one another...

An John... negative covenants ?? Lacks consideration ?? Can we dumb this down fer me some ?? Please ?? lol...

[Whiff]

I think the liberals will take a majority government.

From NB east is going all red, mainly because Steven Harper is not a friend to the Atlantic provinces. There might be a seat here and there but nothing to talk about. One thing I can guarantee is that Newfoundland is going all red, the PC strongholds of St. John's have now been re aligned making the PC incumbents Norman Doyle and Loyola Hearn at a disadvantage. The only other Tory seat in NL at the moment was won in a by election and that was only to protest the current Liberal provincial government at the time. Ontario will be the mix in the country but the liberals will win the majority there. In QB I think the liberals will beat the bloc out. As for Sask west the Tories will take the most with the NDP and liberals getting a seat here and there.

I predict the liberals to take the majority but 7 seats.

NL Will go half and half. Right now, there are 7 ridings, 4 Liberal and 3 CPC. St. John's is Tory Country, so Doyle and Hearn will keep their seats. It might be close, but they will still keep their seats.

Rex Barns did not win the Exploits-Bonivista seat becasue of the dying support of the Provincial Liberals, but the dying support of the Federal Liberals. They were leaving NL out in the cold, and Newfoundlanders spoke against them in the by-election.

Also, if John Crosbie decides to run the district of Avalon will be a tight race. John Efford and John Crosbie are both well known respected candidates and this will prove to be a tight race.

Also, the NDP seems to be raising in populatity, so I would count them out. They annouced a star candadite last week for a district on the west coast.

Newfoundlanders and Labradorians are tired of a Liberal Government neglecting our province, Stephen Harper is not the most popular leader in the Altantic provinces, and you don't really hear much negativity towards the NDP (although I'm sure there is). It will definately be interesting to see how it turns out.

[The Blue Tory]

Latest Poll said on CTV news couple min ago:

Lib 34%
Conservative 31%

[piper]

If I was of age to vote (one more year) I would vote CPC. They views they hold are not airy fairy happy land views (as I find the NDP and Green Party), useless (as I find the Bloc) and a recylcing of the same old same old c*** (can you guess...yes, its the Liberals).

[Ching]

. They views they hold are not airy fairy happy land views (as I find the NDP and Green Party).
But the thing is, they don't HAVE to be airy fairy happy land views. They CAN be realistic, if people just loosened up a little and opened their minds! I totally think that the Green Party could make the country happy, if only people gave them a chance. But they don't. :(

[wb256]

But the thing is, they don't HAVE to be airy fairy happy land views. They CAN be realistic, if people just loosened up a little and opened their minds! I totally think that the Green Party could make the country happy, if only people gave them a chance. But they don't. :(


Well, most of the ideals held by the NDP party (leftist views) have been put into successful practice in other areas (scandanavia, for example).

I find it kind of odd that people continually say that certain policies would never work, when they have in the past in other places (the legalization of marijuana, for example).

[Ching]

Exactly. Canadians just don't want change. :mad:
I"m an optimist, though... I think that SOME DAY, people will LOVE leftist views in all their glory. :)

[wb256]

Exactly. Canadians just don't want change. :mad:
I"m an optimist, though... I think that SOME DAY, people will LOVE leftist views in all their glory. :)


I think many of us want change...and I think it'll happen slowly. Slow change is (in my opinion) a better idea anyways.

[Ching]

Truesay. There's less resistance if you do it so's that people hardly notice it. :)

[Whiff]

Exactly. Canadians just don't want change. :mad:
I"m an optimist, though... I think that SOME DAY, people will LOVE leftist views in all their glory. :)

i.e. People who vote Liberal becasue they have always voted Liberal. :mad:

(this goes for any party...just used Liberal b/c they are the gov't)

[Feeloo]

If I was of age to vote (one more year) I would vote CPC. They views they hold are not airy fairy happy land views (as I find the NDP and Green Party), useless (as I find the Bloc) and a recylcing of the same old same old c*** (can you guess...yes, its the Liberals).

Two questions:

1-Other than sovereignty, what else do you know about the Bloc's platform?
2-You told us why you would not vote for the other parties, why would you vote for the CPC?

[Caz]

Two questions:

1-Other than sovereignty, what else do you know about the Bloc's platform?
2-You told us why you would not vote for the other parties, why would you vote for the CPC?
Sovereignty isn't even a top issue for the BQ this time around.

[ctjj.stevenson]

Seeing that the only real choice that I have but to vote for the Grits or the Bloc ... sovereignty will always be an issue for them. However, the BQ also believes that they are protecting the values of the Québécois. I will not say anything future because I was always told not to talk politics in the military.

[The Blue Tory]

Got to admit what ever steam the NDP had coming into the election is gone now... due to the comments...

[Feeloo]

Sovereignty isn't even a top issue for the BQ this time around.

Exactly, then why would it be useless? It seems to me that most people don't know much about the Bloc, other than their nationalist views. Do they know that they were among the ones to propose anti-gang legislation? EI befenits to seasonally unemployed workers?

I would not vote for them because I do not like the MP that has been representing us for a little over ten years, I think he's done one of the crappiest job on the Hill, but for some, a vote for the Bloc might be good. A referendum isn't decided in a Federal Election, people should drop the sovereigntist rhetoric and try to examine the Bloc's positions on national topics.

[Insane Power Pilot]

Latest Poll said on CTV news couple min ago:

Lib 34%
Conservative 31%

What are the NDP and the Bloc at though? They are the ones who will make all the difference in this election. I have heard that with these new numbers, the Liberals and the NDP together will not have enough seats to form a coalition.

[Neo]

The only poll that matters is the one on June 28th, its called the election.

The Liberal's will win, either a majority or a minority.

Our next election will probably be late 2005, or early 2006 if the Liberal's win a minority.

[The Blue Tory]

The only poll that matters is the one on June 28th, its called the election.

The Liberal's will win, either a majority or a minority.

Our next election will probably be late 2005, or early 2006 if the Liberal's win a minority.
CONSERVATIVE MINORITY.