Church of Fools

[SHG]

No, this isn't about any denominations(correct spelling?) you don't like. Its about the online church sponsored by the mormon church. Anyone been there? If you don't know what it is go here (http://shipoffools.com/church/). Supposedly when it launched a whole bunch of trolls went there and caused havoc. See Here. (http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=5193295)

[lord_rupert]

I went, was pretty cool, but hard to get a space and someone sat on me when I went in as a ghost

ROO :D

[SHG]

Are there only a few spaces at the church?

[lord_rupert]

Yup not sure how many, but it is a knack to get the timing right - 1.20am and I got a space as a real person.
Hey it wasn't you that sat on me was it :p

ROO :D

[sic_transit_gloria]

Hey, if your morman, and you're a girl, can you have multiple husbands??

[Logan]

Alright as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (aka the Mormon Church) let me set some things strait.

Firstly, the church banned poligomy back in the 1860s, so when you hear about LDS members having more than one wife they've actually been excomunicated and are not actually members of the church.

Second, this online church is not an LDS sponsered site, nor is it a LDS church, you can tell right away by the fact that it has a cross in the "logo" and we don't use the symbol in that way.

if you do want to learn more about the mormons from an actual church sponsered site go here (http://www.mormons.com).

Thank you for your time

[lord_rupert]

I heard that Church of Fools was sponsored by Methodists anyway!

ROO :D

[Ching]

I heard that Church of Fools was sponsored by Methodists anyway!

ROO :D
It says right on the site that it's sponsored by Methodists!

Just because Mormon and Methodist both start with M doesn't mean they're the same. :p

[lord_rupert]

Thanks for confirming that I am not going mad!

So who sat on me!!!

ROO :D

[WO1 Lewis]

Just because Mormon and Methodist both start with M doesn't mean they're the same.
Ohhhhhh...... So THAT'S why all those Athiests and Anglicans were mad at me....

[The Blue Tory]

Second, this online church is not an LDS sponsered site, nor is it a LDS church, you can tell right away by the fact that it has a cross in the "logo" and we don't use the symbol in that way.
ohhhhhhhh so that's why there was nobody going around looking to convert you, and no doors to slam in their face when they try... ;)

[Logan]

well the point of my post was more toward the comment of multiple spouses and how everyone thinks that members of the church has them. i mean when i tell people what religion i belong to thats normally the first question i get asked "how many wives are you allowed to have" and i must say that after a long while it gets really annoying.

and as far a missionaries go for the church, we're one of teh better ones when some one says that they don't want to hear what we have to say we just say "ok, have a nice day" and leave, it is a strong belief of the church that everyone has their free choice to decide what to do and we can't force anything upon them.

[Dick]

I managed to get into the church as a user, instead of a ghost.


I attended a serman and got my pew to do a wave (like at ball games) in middle of prayers, lol. But its really cool. The sermans are given by real ministers and the people there were really polite and cool to talk to :)

I spent about 2 hours in it.

[HammerOfHope]

Why do they call it the Church of Fools?

[lord_rupert]

Their news magazine is called Ship of Fools and Church of Fools is an extension of that..

ROO :D

[aduff]

Are mormons the ones that come around knocking on your door?

[CONtroversial_subject]

yea, whats with that, why you guys gotta push your religion on other people. You dont see the Catholic church going door to door saying BE A CATHOLIC! It aint right, and the ones that come to my door dont come back, I used to live with Cale Nagy, and that kid would just invite em in and totally disprove their entire religion, and he is a religious buff for real, everybody whose been around CW knows that. So for any mormons out there, ive seen first hand how much of your religion can be completely disproved, so I dont understand why anybody follows that faith.

[Bugler]

I agree, if someone really wanted to follow a religon, they should put in the iniatitve, not wait for someone to come kncoking on their door. I've never had any morom ppl come, but the Jehovah's Witness ppl, jeez, they hunst dont give it a rest :rolleyes: Luckily, we moved :D

[Caz]

Y'know, I'm not Mormon, but I'm sure the Mormons on this board don't enjoy you bashing their faith.

Catholics didn't go door to door. They went on missions. Still do.

-R.

[HammerOfHope]

People who try to 'disprove' a missionary's religion are just as guilty of imposing their beliefs on others as the missionaries that come to their doors. What purpose could arguing about something as personal as religion possibly serve?

[The Blue Tory]

Sorry, but Church of Fools is closed at the moment. The past week has been amazing (41,000 people visited the church in just one 24-hour period!) but the downside is that we've exhausted our bandwidth and other resources in just one week.

Not our fault they can't handle us... They probably rue the day a CW member learnt of the site lol

[lord_rupert]

The C of F was only designed to be a small project for the methodists from their online forum - it got out into the media and CW and now it crashes :p

ROO :D

[CONtroversial_subject]

People who try to 'disprove' a missionary's religion are just as guilty of imposing their beliefs on others as the missionaries that come to their doors. What purpose could arguing about something as personal as religion possibly serve?

well it takes up a couple minutes of boredom. :rolleyes:

Missionaries aint the same thing. Their goal is to take religion to places without it, offering an option of faith, but more than that, they offer assistance with buildings, food, and education. Mormons come to your door in a country that is developed with enough different religions as is, and talk alot of contradictory nonsense. I cant prove Christianity is the right religion, but I think anybody with half a brain can drop Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses from the list of possible right answers.

[HammerOfHope]

I cant prove Christianity is the right religion, but I think anybody with half a brain can drop Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses from the list of possible right answers.
It's really about what's right for you, I think. Apparently door-to-door canvassing gets people in, or they wouldn't keep doing it.

I think a couple Jehova's Witnesses used to come to my house to talk with my grandmother. She was never serious about converting, but she liked talking to them about faith and religion in general. So in conclusion, whatever floats peoples' boats, I suppose.

[Logan]

I know that for the LDS church that the missionary handbook says no more than 10% of your time should be spent tracting (going door-to-door), the majority of the work is referals that are sent in.

[sic_transit_gloria]

well it takes up a couple minutes of boredom. :rolleyes:

Missionaries aint the same thing. Their goal is to take religion to places without it, offering an option of faith, but more than that, they offer assistance with buildings, food, and education. Mormons come to your door in a country that is developed with enough different religions as is, and talk alot of contradictory nonsense. I cant prove Christianity is the right religion, but I think anybody with half a brain can drop Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses from the list of possible right answers.

Nobody knows the right answers about any religion. But who are we to say which one is better?? Every religion is pretty much contradictory so why don't we just get rid of all the religions while we're at it, heh?? Missionaries are just doing what they believe is right, same with Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses. After all, isn't that what religion is pretty much about??

[CONtroversial_subject]

Well Mormons and Jehovas Witnesses are new religions, twisting information from religions that have been around since the time of christ. While all churches aren't really anything but a bunch of people extorting one of the most holy things, all these new kids on the block trying to get in on the hustle aint even polite about it! They come right to your door, like a bunch of hethens trying to say they are here for your salvation. Thats just taking it to extremes man, and of course it works, "a sucker is born every minute"

[Ching]

It's really about what's right for you, I think. Apparently door-to-door canvassing gets people in, or they wouldn't keep doing it.

I think a couple Jehova's Witnesses used to come to my house to talk with my grandmother. She was never serious about converting, but she liked talking to them about faith and religion in general. So in conclusion, whatever floats peoples' boats, I suppose.
The JWs used to come to my door... back in the day... until one day, my dog was in heat. So, to control her "flow", we put a pair of my dad's underwear on her, with her tail sticking out the hole. So a Jehovah's Witness comes to the door, my dad's talking to him... my dog, very friendly, pushes her way through and out onto the lawn. Bloody underwear and all.
That was 10 years ago. They haven't been around since.

[Caz]

I cant prove Christianity is the right religion, but I think anybody with half a brain can drop Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses from the list of possible right answers.Hmm, I'm not Mormom, or JW. Not the point. But I do know some pretty intellgent Mormons and JW. They believe in their faith, and that's all they need - they don't need your approval.

And that's the wondeful thing about freedom of religion. We should be thankful that people aren't afraid to knock on your door and ask you about faith - it means we don't persecute people for having ideals that don't match our own.

Humans crave spritiuality, in any form. Don't judge people because they have a 'new' religion. It's their expression of faith, and they are entitled to it.

-R.

[HammerOfHope]

Humans crave spritiuality, in any form. Don't judge people because they have a 'new' religion. It's their expression of faith, and they are entitled to it.
Except Scientology - that's a huge scam.




All hail Xenu!

[CONtroversial_subject]

And that's the wondeful thing about freedom of religion. We should be thankful that people aren't afraid to knock on your door and ask you about faith - it means we don't persecute people for having ideals that don't match our own.


No thats called pushing their religion on me, I dont care what you do or what you believe, but when you starting pushing it on me, maybe you should be afraid to come knocking on my door.

[offguard96]

Catholics don't visit, they inquisit.

Live, let live. I thought it funny when I read about the trolls attacking that church a few weeks back. I don't think it's anything malicious, or any specific anger towards the church, it's just a bad combination of boredom, an internet connection, and a target of opportunity. It was funny though...screaming "Hail Satan" in an "e-church" till they take away the scream option...hahahaha...good stuff.

[Logan]

I wonder how others would respond if we were attacking their religion? because if they have the gall to sit in front of their computer and bash my religion then i feel i have the right to do the same to them?

fair is fair

[The Blue Tory]

Its people like Mr Letain here thats the reason people of my faith were chased across the US, and even had an extermination order put on them in the state of missouri that was only repealled 20 years ago.

I wonder how he would respond if we were attacking his religion? by the way what faith do you belong to? because if you have the gall to sit in front of your computer and bash my religion then i feel i have the right to do the same to yours?

fair is fair
Thing is Catholic/Christian thats a religion, yours is a cult...

[Logan]

Thing is Catholic/Christian thats a religion, yours is a cult...
Why is my religion a cult? really one good reason why

[The Blue Tory]

oh so its not a cult now?

[Logan]

we have never been, nor will we ever be a cult. we are a christian church that has christian values and beliefs.

what seperates us from other christian churches is that we have a living prophet to guide the church.

for over a century and a half people have been giving out mis-interpretations and lies about the church to the point that now most people on the street only know the lies that they've heard over the years.

i think that before people can say things like "your church is a cult", or "your beliefs are all wrong" that they should find out what they believe from actual members or from church material, not from people who a) do not belong to the church or b) simply want to tear down its members

i personally feel that the same attitude should be applied for all religions and beliefs.

[The Blue Tory]

we have never been, nor will we ever be a cult. we are a christian church that has christian values and beliefs.

what seperates us from other christian churches is that we have a living prophet to guide the church.

for over a century and a half people have been giving out mis-interpretations and lies about the church to the point that now most people on the street only know the lies that they've heard over the years.

i think that before people can say things like "your church is a cult", or "your beliefs are all wrong" that they should find out what they believe from actual members or from church material, not from people who a) do not belong to the church or b) simply want to tear down its members

i personally feel that the same attitude should be applied for all religions and beliefs.
living prophet? what makes this guy a prophet?

[offguard96]

Oh stop it, everyone.

At some point, every religion was a cult. Christianity in general was to the Roman Empire what the Raelians are to us...a bit crazy, generally laughed at, and ultimately ignored. Things change. In two thousand years, who knows what the world will believe. Perhaps then Christianity will return to cult status, and Islam will be huge. Who knows.

The Mormon church, as I understand it, is Christianity with another prophet, who wrote (or transcribed) another book of the Bible. Scoffing at the Mormon church for "adding" to the Bible is a bit hypocritical, since the Christian bible is basically the Jewish Torah with add-ons.

Like I said, live and let live. Don't push it on me, don't hurt anyone with it, and don't lobby for laws that suit only your beliefs, and your church is fine with me!

[CONtroversial_subject]

Thing is Catholic/Christian thats a religion, yours is a cult...

THANK YOU!

Oh and im Roman Catholic, bash away, we're the largest and one of the oldest religions in the world, there isn't too much a cult member can say that will ruin our image.

[CONtroversial_subject]

since the Christian bible is basically the Jewish Torah with add-ons.

uhh NO! Christians are the ones who followed jesus, the jews had him put on a cross so they could free some known criminal.

[The Blue Tory]

you never said who this "living prophet" is yet...

[offguard96]

http://www.adherents.com/adh_branches.html#AllBranches

The individual brances of Judaism are lower on the list of total adherents than the Latter Day Saints.

Plus, 11 million is a wee bit bigger than a cult.

Also, about what I said regarding the Christian Bible...the Christian Bible is the Torah, with more books tacked on. It's a fact.

I know Christians believe in Jesus as a messiah and Jews do not. That doesn't change the fact that the Christian Bible is an expanded Torah.

Don't want to believe that's a fact? Tough. It just is.

[Ching]

uhh NO! Christians are the ones who followed jesus, the jews had him put on a cross so they could free some known criminal.
The Old Testament is basically the Torah with add ons. The new testament is... new. :)

[The Blue Tory]

so what if it is... The Old testament is a shared history for both the Jewish and Christians... that is a meaningless point to be argued

[Dick]

You are not a cult until the "leader" starts handing out purple kool-aid that smells of javex.

[The Blue Tory]

You are not a cult until the "leader" starts handing out purple kool-aid that smells of javex.
btw when is the so called "living prophet" going to start handing it out?

[offguard96]

My original argument about the religious texts was that it seems silly for modern Christians to scoff at a religion that has added to their bible, when their bible is simply another religion's bible with add-ons. It's hypocritical.

[Dick]

btw when is the so called "living prophet" going to start handing it out?
He's a prophet, not a murderer...

[The Blue Tory]

My original argument about the religious texts was that it seems silly for modern Christians to scoff at a religion that has added to their bible, when their bible is simply another religion's bible with add-ons. It's hypocritical.
really? how so?

[Ching]

so what if it is... The Old testament is a shared history for both the Jewish and Christians... that is a meaningless point to be argued
??

I wasn't arguing. I was clarifying. And it's not meaningless. Mormons aren't dumb because they add to the Bible, because Christians did the same thing with the Torah. I was agreeing with offguard96.

[The Blue Tory]

that wasn't really quoting you there Emily... its just a general point... there's nothing wrong with adding on

[Ching]

really? how so?
He already explained it in his post.

BIBLE = TORAH PLUS OTHER GOODIES.

MORMON BIBLE = BIBLE PLUS OTHER GOODIES.

hypocrite

\Hyp"o*crite\, n. [F., fr. L. hypocrita, Gr. ? one who plays a part on the stage, a dissembler, feigner. See Hypocrisy.] One who plays a part; especially, one who, for the purpose of winning approbation of favor, puts on a fair outside seeming; one who feigns to be other and better than he is; a false pretender to virtue or piety; one who simulates virtue or piety.

CHRISTIANS WHO SCOFF AT MORMONS = HYPOCRITES, because they both added on to a Holy Book to suit their own needs.

[offguard96]

Because Christians were scoffed at, crucified, fed to lions, and otherwise vilified two thousand years ago not only for adding to the Torah but for believing in the flesh and blood of God on earth.

Today, however, because they carry the numbers, Christians are allowed to do the same to others? BS. Mormons who moved to Utah years ago went through the same thing Moses and his people went through to escape Ramses...they weren't fleeing the exact same thing (persecution, rather than slavery), but they still had to leave because of it. They fled because they were harrassed because they believed in the Christian bible with another book attached, and with a modern prophet.

Numbers don't make it MORE legitimate, they just make it more powerful, and less personal.

And at any rate, Eleven Million is not a cult. It's a religion.

[Ching]

Numbers don't make it MORE legitimate, they just make it more powerful, and less personal.

And at any rate, Eleven Million is not a cult. It's a religion.
Agreed.
And who's to say that *any* religion is legitimate? Who knows, until we're dead? I believe in God, and in Jesus Christ, but who's to say that I"m right and Hindus are wrong?
I don't scoff at any religions... except those whacko Christian sects in the Southern US...
the ones that think being bitten by poisonous snakes is a blessing from God... or the ones who think Dubya is the Second Coming... Those guys are just ASKING to be scoffed at. :p

[CONtroversial_subject]

??

I wasn't arguing. I was clarifying. And it's not meaningless. Mormons aren't dumb because they add to the Bible, because Christians did the same thing with the Torah. I was agreeing with offguard96.

No Christianity emerged where judaism failed. They killed the messiah and dont want to admit it so they leave that part out, that has nothing to do with mormons and JW tacking on a whole bunch of crap to the good book.

And 11 Million isn't a very big number, when you look at the BILLIONS of people on the planet, im sure finding 11 million people to follow some cult shouldn't be that difficult, the second largest "religion" in the world is a cult, created by some "prophet" hundreds of years after Jesus who talked about all these extremist religious ideals, and how Allah would punish them if they did not obey. No point arguing against what you believe though right? im sure within my life i'll get a chance to say I told you so.

[The Blue Tory]

Isn't Hindu or Hindi (not sure what it's called exactly) in the hundreds of millions?

[offguard96]

Romans killed your messiah, not Jews. Crucifixion wasn't a death reserved for Jesus...thousands suffered that fate at the hands of the Caesars.

According to established Catholic dogma, though, you shouldn't be reading the bible. As a Catholic man, you should let it be read to you by your priests. In Latin. So, because you are compelled to be ignorant by your own faith, I can forget some of your comments here.

Now, though, you just want to split hairs and be right. You're correct that 11 million is a number that is comparatively small, when put beside six billion. Then again, though, 968 000 000 (number of Catholics) is a smaller number than 1 300 000 000 (number of Muslims). So I suppose you're a cult, by the numbers.

By the years established, you're still a cult. Islam was founded as a church in 610 AD. In 1054 AD, the old Christian Church split into the Eastern (Greek) Orthodox and Catholic (Holy Roman) Churches.

Still, even though you'll disagree with me on all these tongue-in-cheek points (meant entirely to show you how silly "mine is better than yours" arguments are with religion), you have to agree that what is done now against Mormons is damnably similar to what happened thousands of years ago to Christians in the Roman Empire.

It's also pretty close to what happened in Hitler's early years in power in Germany...I won't pretend it's holocaust, but it's certainly harrassment. It's branding Mormons, and making them feel they should be ashamed of something they hold dear. It's sick. Stop it.

As a postscript...Read up on Islam before you write about it. Nothing makes you look dumber. There are suicide bombers in Islam, and there are Timothy McVeighs in Christianity. Neither is the norm, they simply get all the press.

Prove your faith is one of love and tolerance. Stop being a bigot.

Edit: I re-read your last post, Letain, and came upon an important point in your wording...You are right that Islam holds that Allah will punish sinners. Allah will punish sinners, as it says in the Koran, for breaking his laws. Just like you go to hell for breaking God's laws in Christianity. The Koran holds that Allah will punish the sinners, so by your own understanding of Islam you should be able to see that it doesn't push believers to punish non-believers...it tells them that the non-believers will be taken care of by Allah later on. So, by your own reckoning, it's a live-let-live philosophy. So where's the problem? Well, it happens when wackos misinterpret their scripture (whether Christian or Islamic) to mean that THEY have to carry out GOD's work on earth. That's when it goes wrong. It's like gay marriage...if you're opposed to it, then don't have one. But don't think you're qualified to carry out God's work by prohibiting anyone from having a gay marriage. By your own reckoning, He should be able to take care of it later anyway.

[wb256]

Alright as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (aka the Mormon Church) let me set some things strait.

Firstly, the church banned poligomy back in the 1860s, so when you hear about LDS members having more than one wife they've actually been excomunicated and are not actually members of the church.

Second, this online church is not an LDS sponsered site, nor is it a LDS church, you can tell right away by the fact that it has a cross in the "logo" and we don't use the symbol in that way.

if you do want to learn more about the mormons from an actual church sponsered site go here (http://www.mormons.com).

Thank you for your time

The LDS church is one of MANY surviving latter day saint churches. There have been numerous schisms since joseph smith's death.

Some of these sects still allow polygamy I believe.

The LDS church based out of salt lake city is by far the largest, and is the one most commonly associated with the mormom faith, but it's not the only one. Spliter groups formed by jessie strang and joseph smith's son.

Mormonism is NOT a cult. It has (in the past) had some practices that seem ridiculous to our cultural background. They live their life differently than we do, so what?

They're not hurting ANYONE else. Sure, some people get sick of hearing about their faith...but at least they gently tell us about it.

Not exactly the same method's catholics have used for converting others (eg, at the tip of a sword).

Bashing religions is pointless. Since the morals they preach are relative and socially constructed, they're all going to be different. Obviously there's going to be some clashing between beliefs, but calling each other's way of life cultish when they're hurting no one is just plain silly.

This is one of the reasons why I'm such a big fan of the libertarian way of running society. Morals shouldn't be laws, they should be free. Laws should be there to protect, not to control.

[Coomber 535]

No thats called pushing their religion on me, I dont care what you do or what you believe, but when you starting pushing it on me, maybe you should be afraid to come knocking on my door.

Oh for the love of pancakes! Is that little girl knocking on your door trying to sell chocolate bars "pushing" her product? If you were really interested, wouldn't you call her? Maybe Coke or Pepsi is "pushing" their products by advertising.... if you really wanted a cola you'd call them. Get my point?


Oh and im Roman Catholic, bash away, we're the largest and one of the oldest religions in the world, there isn't too much a cult member can say that will ruin our image.

Really? I beg to differ. What about all this child molestation stuff? I recall watching SNL and other comedies and they're joking about it. I don't think it helped thier image. (not to say other religions don't have this same issue...). Being one of the oldest doesn't matter... why do you think new groups form? B/c they were unsatisfied with the way things are going!! Think about Luther and his thingy he nailed to the cathedral door.

--

But I did go to the C of F... and I thought it was interesting. It was also funny having people whisper profanity to me!! I was like... ok!!

[Ching]

Isn't Hindu or Hindi (not sure what it's called exactly) in the hundreds of millions?
Hindu is the religion. Hindi is the language.
I don't know the exact numbers, but the religion is in absolutely no danger of dying off...

[Ching]

Edit: I re-read your last post, Letain, and came upon an important point in your wording...You are right that Islam holds that Allah will punish sinners. Allah will punish sinners, as it says in the Koran, for breaking his laws. Just like you go to hell for breaking God's laws in Christianity. The Koran holds that Allah will punish the sinners, so by your own understanding of Islam you should be able to see that it doesn't push believers to punish non-believers...it tells them that the non-believers will be taken care of by Allah later on. So, by your own reckoning, it's a live-let-live philosophy. So where's the problem? Well, it happens when wackos misinterpret their scripture (whether Christian or Islamic) to mean that THEY have to carry out GOD's work on earth. That's when it goes wrong. It's like gay marriage...if you're opposed to it, then don't have one. But don't think you're qualified to carry out God's work by prohibiting anyone from having a gay marriage. By your own reckoning, He should be able to take care of it later anyway.
I agreed with the rest of what you said, but especially with this part.
Wackos ruin it for everyone. Just like the Jackson 5 said "One bad apple spoils the whole bunch, girl... soooooooo give it one more try, before you giiive up on looove!" Love that song. :)

[Ching]

Another thing... Christianity and Islam are but babies as far as religion goes.
Hinduism is ooooooooooooooold like nobody's business. REALLY old. I believe... (and World Religions was 2 years ago, so forgive me if I'm wrong) it's in the ballpark of 5-6 thousand years old. It's the granddaddy of all the other major religions: Islam, Buddhism, and Judaism (and, therefore, Christianity) are all descendants of Hinduism. Aboriginal spirituality (in all its forms) is right up there on the age scale too.
My point is, arguing that Christianity and Islam are old religions and therefore untouchable as far as legitimacy goes isn't really valid. They're not old. :)

[wb256]

Another thing... Christianity and Islam are but babies as far as religion goes.
Hinduism is ooooooooooooooold like nobody's business. REALLY old. I believe... (and World Religions was 2 years ago, so forgive me if I'm wrong) it's in the ballpark of 5-6 thousand years old. It's the granddaddy of all the other major religions: Islam, Buddhism, and Judaism (and, therefore, Christianity) are all descendants of Hinduism. Aboriginal spirituality (in all its forms) is right up there on the age scale too.
My point is, arguing that Christianity and Islam are old religions and therefore untouchable as far as legitimacy goes isn't really valid. They're not old. :)


I don't think there's much evidence to prove that Judaism or Budhism sprang from Hinduism. Hinduism obviously had some influence on Buddhism, but Buddhist philosophy also had a large impact on Hindu philosophy.

Also, Hinduism has changed so much since it's Vedic beginnings, that's it's kind of tough to call it the world's oldest religion in many ways. It would be like calling Islam the world's oldest religion because it sprang from judaism.

There's very little similarity between the Vedic soma drinkers and the bhakti worshippers.

But your point concerning the relativly young lifespan of christianity and Islam still holds true :D

[Logan]

I must say that its nice to see the topic of this thread shift away from insulting my religion.

And i would like to apologize for some comments i made about Mr Letain, that will now get deleted, they were writen in anger that is normally cause when some one makes aggressive comments about either my family or my religion.

[Logan]

you never said who this "living prophet" is yet...
Sorry i missed this post admist all the people saying that no one has the right to call another religion a cult.

the present Prophet and Leader of the church is Gordon B Hinkley. he has appeared on Larry King live a bunch on times (including after 9/11 to offer support to the survivors, friends and families of the victoms)

[Logan]

uhh NO! Christians are the ones who followed jesus, the jews had him put on a cross so they could free some known criminal.
hate to break it to you but you do know that Jesus was a Jew right? i mean the whole born in bethleham of Judea and celebrating the jewish festivals (last supper was the pass-over feast), going to the temple in jerusalem.

[Ching]

I don't think there's much evidence to prove that Judaism or Budhism sprang from Hinduism. Hinduism obviously had some influence on Buddhism, but Buddhist philosophy also had a large impact on Hindu philosophy.
Buddhism sprang from Hinduism in the same way that Christianity sprang from Judaism: Siddhartha (AKA Buddha) was a Hindu, until he achieved Nirvana, when he realized that there is only one God, and all the other things that come with Enlightenment.

[Ching]

Also, Hinduism has changed so much since it's Vedic beginnings, that's it's kind of tough to call it the world's oldest religion in many ways.
Yeahhhhh... but all of the religions have changed. Look how much Christianity has changed! We started out as Jews following Christ, and nowadays, man oh man, some Christians are so not Jewish it's not even funny. But even the whacko Christian sects are still considered to be part of the same religion as the original Christians.

[wb256]

Yeahhhhh... but all of the religions have changed. Look how much Christianity has changed! We started out as Jews following Christ, and nowadays, man oh man, some Christians are so not Jewish it's not even funny. But even the whacko Christian sects are still considered to be part of the same religion as the original Christians.


The core theology has remained much the same though (jesus dying for our sins, believing in one god, etc). The way Vedic practices are spoken of in the Bahgavad Gita, they're almost treated like another religion.

Anyways, I'm not the only one who views "hindu" as a difficult term to use to describe what could easily be considered many different religions.

Also, Although the Buddha was a hindu originally, I wouldn't go as far as to say that Hinduism gave birth to Buddhism. The theology and philosophy was largely unrelated. Also (I know far less about Buddhism than I do Hinduism and I could be wrong) I don't believe that the "one god" realization was a part of Buddhist enlightenment. I think you may be thinking of Sihkism (which sprang from a combination of Hinduism and Islam).

But then again, this is just from what I've read and studied, I've only taken a couple of classes on the subject and read a few books. I'm by no means an expert, and could be misunderstanding something.

[Ching]

Buddhism is a religion that originated in northern India over 2500 years ago. From there it spread into China, Japan and to Tibet. Today it is practiced throughout the world, attracting over 350 million followers. Like other religions, it has its own special teachings and practices but, unlike other religions, does not believe in God. Consequently, it is sometimes referred to as an atheistic religion. It does, however, like all religions, have the idea of 'transcendence' - of 'going beyond' ordinary consciousness - central to its teaching.

We were both wrong. They don't even have one God. :)

[wb256]

We were both wrong. They don't even have one God. :)


I didn't think they did. Sihkism, however has a main teaching involving the acceptance that there is only one God - and it's closely related to Hinduism. You might have been thinking of that.

[CONtroversial_subject]

Oh for the love of pancakes! Is that little girl knocking on your door trying to sell chocolate bars "pushing" her product? If you were really interested, wouldn't you call her? Maybe Coke or Pepsi is "pushing" their products by advertising.... if you really wanted a cola you'd call them. Get my point?


They inform you of products that are wants anyways. People dont want you to come to their door and tell you about how you should live your life, which is basically what religion is.



Really? I beg to differ. What about all this child molestation stuff? I recall watching SNL and other comedies and they're joking about it. I don't think it helped thier image. (not to say other religions don't have this same issue...). Being one of the oldest doesn't matter... why do you think new groups form? B/c they were unsatisfied with the way things are going!! Think about Luther and his thingy he nailed to the cathedral door.


*COUGH* I dont believe this. If you gonna argue with me, take the time to figure out what ur arguing. The church period, the people who represent a religion are extortonists. Its the world accepted scam. They do a few good deads, spread the teachings of the bible, add a twist that makes the gov't wanna let them get away with it, and collect a TON of money.

Secondly, your facts are all wrong. Mahhamad came after the bible, whatever hundred years after Jesus died. We already went through this with GunGod remember. The entire Islam religion was put up on hundreds of site sources, so go if you wanna know about that discussion, check the history, we been through this already.

Oh and whoever said that thing bout the jews, the romans yea, they physically tied him to the cross, but it was at the PUBLIC VOTE of the Jews. The Romans as the government simply did what the people wanted it to do! Not what the Roman people, but what the JEWISH people wanted to do.

[Coomber 535]

They inform you of products that are wants anyways. People dont want you to come to their door and tell you about how you should live your life, which is basically what religion is.

LOL. Why beat your clothes on a rock when you can throw them in a washing machine? A washing machine makes your life better. You have to push the concept on people that they can have a better life, and it is worth what you give up (money, time, whatever). It's the same thing with religion... you live the way GOD "wants" you to, and you will be rewarded. In addition you have a community of people to relate to with your beliefs. So, with a washing machine you are rewarded with extra time to do whatever with. By joining a religion, you live a good life, and should things work out and there is in fact a God, you are rewarded with a nice afterlife (i.e. no hell).

Basically, what I am getting at, is that they have every right to "advertise" their religion. People don't know about it until you tell them. People only know what they hear, so it's best for the information to come from the source... that is, a member of the church, as opposed to your neighbour who thinks he knows what it's all about.


Secondly, your facts are all wrong. Mahhamad came after the bible, whatever hundred years after Jesus died. We already went through this with GunGod remember. The entire Islam religion was put up on hundreds of site sources, so go if you wanna know about that discussion, check the history, we been through this already.

I don't recall making mention of the Islamic faith, I was talking about christianity!!! I mean that the protestant church (all of them, no specific one) was formed in PROTEST to the way the catholic church was operating. People interpret God's will differently, so different groups see things different ways.

Martin Luther posted a list of theses on the cathedral door in protest of the way the church was operating. His followers formed their own church based on what they believed to be the way of God. Thus began the Luteran Church.

Where did I even mention Muhhamad? I didn't even mention any of the 99 names.... yeah I don't think they used "Luther" LOL... :D

[Ching]

I didn't think they did. Sihkism, however has a main teaching involving the acceptance that there is only one God - and it's closely related to Hinduism. You might have been thinking of that.
No, I knew that... I was thinking about the movie about Buddhism starring Keanu Reeves as Siddhartha... I was just wrong. :)

[CONtroversial_subject]

Eric, I wasn't responding to just one person. Once I said secondly i was talking to another person.

Anyways your point bout a washing machine makes no sense. A washing machine is a tool, you dont advertise a set of values to a community with established religions and beliefs. Its rude, annoying, and its a good way to get people NOT to follow your religion, and in some neighborhoods a good way to get shot too. Infact I wonder how many times that has happened. You can re-package what they are doing into a 100 different categories but its still what it is, and the majority of people believe that its really annoying to have some bottom level church come and tell them no they got it wrong, this is the real religion. If they really wanted to become a mormon or a JW or whatever, they'd pick up a phone book and see where the nearest church was just like any other religion.

I got no problem with these people preaching to those who actually wanna listen, but as far as im concerned, they step on my property, and they can deal with my dog, and I aint the only person that feels that way.

[Gungod]

We already went through this with GunGod remember. .

?? I haven't been involved with this subject.. What was it we went through?

[piper]

Well congradulations people, some of you have managed to make a marble look awfully sharp. Logan had made a few valid points to defend his church, and what do a few select (with no names named) people decide to do? They go and bash his religion with some sort of idea that theirs is all powerful and superior and that his is a cult. It amazes how so many people who claim to be adults can act so childish. It would be funny if it wasen't so pathetic.

I stay away from religion, I have better things to do with my Sundays, and I really don't mind if I don't believe in someone superior to myself. However, I do not insult the beliefs of others when it comes to religion. It is their choice and no one, NO ONE AT ALL, has the right to tell them that they are a 'cult', or that their belief system is a load of poo. Stop comparing your weenies and maybye we could have a useful discussion on religion.

Nahhhhh, to much to ask for I guess.

[wb256]

Eric, I wasn't responding to just one person. Once I said secondly i was talking to another person.

Anyways your point bout a washing machine makes no sense. A washing machine is a tool, you dont advertise a set of values to a community with established religions and beliefs. Its rude, annoying, and its a good way to get people NOT to follow your religion, and in some neighborhoods a good way to get shot too. Infact I wonder how many times that has happened. You can re-package what they are doing into a 100 different categories but its still what it is, and the majority of people believe that its really annoying to have some bottom level church come and tell them no they got it wrong, this is the real religion. If they really wanted to become a mormon or a JW or whatever, they'd pick up a phone book and see where the nearest church was just like any other religion.

I got no problem with these people preaching to those who actually wanna listen, but as far as im concerned, they step on my property, and they can deal with my dog, and I aint the only person that feels that way.


I find it odd that you complain about people trying to push their beliefs on others, yet you're a catholic. Catholicism was notorious for not for advertising, but for forcing others to convert. Moromons go door to door and ask you politly to hear about their faith. The papal and spanish inquisitions killed those who were members of other faiths. Also, the numerous crusades resulted in the deaths on countless muslims, and many eastern orthodox christians. The indignity and deaths of Jews at the hands of the papacy are also a huge black mark on Catholicism.

The colonial era wasn't much better, as christianity was forced upon the globe.

The religious wars after the protestant reformation also deserve a mention in this section, as both moderate (lutheran, etc) and radical (menonite) reformer groups were killed.

I have nothing against catholicism, my point is only that NO religion is innocent. From the treatment of Palestinians in Israel, to the violence towards muslims in India - all religions have a tarnished past. The LDS church actually has one of the least brutal histories of many of the christian faiths.

[CONtroversial_subject]

?? I haven't been involved with this subject.. What was it we went through?

oh my bad, I didn't mean you LtCdr Packer. I was talking about Cale Nagy, for some reason I got the tags mixed up, cuz his email is gunner_god or whatever. So Eccentric already went through this a dozen times.

Warren Brauner I agree with you, and yes I am catholic, that doesn't mean that the people representing my faith are any less guilty, but i'd think we would be past this stage. People didn't like it, and once the church lost its authority over others it pretty much stopped, unless you count missionaries which is a seperate issue, as spreading their religion is just something they do for those who are without, while they provide things like shelter, food, and clothing. I aint never seen a mormon show up with a pair of sneakers when he wants to tell me about how I should follow his faith which has more holes in it than 50 cent.

[Logan]

I stay away from religion, I have better things to do with my Sundays.
Saturdays if your Jewish or 7th day adventist

[Ching]

Saturdays if your Jewish or 7th day adventist
Those crazy, crazy 7th Day Adventists... since when is Saturday the 7th day of the week? :p (except on calendars, those don't count. :p)

[wb256]

Warren Brauner I agree with you, and yes I am catholic, that doesn't mean that the people representing my faith are any less guilty, but i'd think we would be past this stage. People didn't like it, and once the church lost its authority over others it pretty much stopped, unless you count missionaries which is a seperate issue, as spreading their religion is just something they do for those who are without, while they provide things like shelter, food, and clothing. I aint never seen a mormon show up with a pair of sneakers when he wants to tell me about how I should follow his faith which has more holes in it than 50 cent.


Point taken. I personally believe that there's something to be learned from every faith, from Catholicism to Hinduism to Satanism (despite it's image, there are many positive things about the occult). I don't really align myself with any specific faith, because I've found that if you dig deep enough, there's a lesson to be learned from everything. In my room I have a copy of the Bible, the City of God, The Bahgavad Gita, the Book of Mormon and the Tao Te Ching (plus a whole slew of philosophy from Nizche to Plato). I think if people try to find it, there's more common ground between faiths than they realize.

[Planetofjenn]

Those crazy, crazy 7th Day Adventists... since when is Saturday the 7th day of the week? :p (except on calendars, those don't count. :p)

I thought saturday was they day people were to relax, meditate, and then everyone met on Sunday for Prayers...at one time.

[Ching]

I thought saturday was they day people were to relax, meditate, and then everyone met on Sunday for Prayers...at one time.
Maybe... I don't know much about it, except that the one 7th Day Adventist in my squadron isn't allowed to participate in weekend exes, including (maybe) our Annual. Because it's on a Saturday... but I don't know about Sundays. He's allowed to come to stuff on Sundays.

[CadetJeff]

There's one thing that suprised me with all 5 pages of this topic. No one has provided any verses or historical fact to support their thoughts. There was a lot of opinion and thought in some of those, but no proof. Now comes my thoughts.

Some said that the Bible is just the Torah with stuff added to it. Go read through the New Testament because it clearly outlines that the New Testament is it's own. The Law of Moses (Old Testament) was given for instruction to prepare for the coming of Christ. If the Old Testament had been meant as the final law, we'd still have animal sacrifices in Jerusalem every year.

Now, for those that support the idea of newer prophets after the completion of the Bible. The Bible itself (the same one that Mormons, Catholics, and many others base their faith off of) says that it is comeplete. Paul wrote in 1st Timothy (Ch 1, verses 3-11) that there is nothing outside of what's in the Bible. Jude 11 sums up what has happened and will continue to happen until the return of Christ. 2d Peter 2:4-11 sums up what will happen to those that distort the Truth.

I ask anyone that has read the New Testament to show me where anyone alive today gets the authority from God to add to or take away from what is in the Bible. The only ones that "added to" were the Apostles, and they had the power to. But after they all died, that ended. No where is there anything from God (through the Apostles) to say that anyone else would be coming.

(HINT: There is no verse for that. It specifically forbids bowing down to Golden salamanders or people that are nothing more than human. It demands honor to the elders of a congregation, parents, and those with age in general. And the rules are quiet clear on how this is supposed to work.)

BTW, there are those of us that believe and worship according to what is given. Some of us still worship as the Christians in the 1st Century. There's certain things given by example (singing, prayer, a sermon, scripture reading, the Lord's Supper, and a collection so that the congregation can support itself). Understand, everything I've just mentioned is from 17 1/2 year's of work and study. And there are good ideas that can be had from others, but it can't be bound as scripture or tradition. YMMV... :)

[wb256]

There's one thing that suprised me with all 5 pages of this topic. No one has provided any verses or historical fact to support their thoughts. There was a lot of opinion and thought in some of those, but no proof. Now comes my thoughts.

Some said that the Bible is just the Torah with stuff added to it. Go read through the New Testament because it clearly outlines that the New Testament is it's own. The Law of Moses (Old Testament) was given for instruction to prepare for the coming of Christ. If the Old Testament had been meant as the final law, we'd still have animal sacrifices in Jerusalem every year.

Exactly. The Old Testament (the Torah), plus some new stuff (the new testament). The point is, the new testament was an addition to older works, just as the book of Mormon is an addition to older works.


Now, for those that support the idea of newer prophets after the completion of the Bible. The Bible itself (the same one that Mormons, Catholics, and many others base their faith off of) says that it is comeplete.

A bible that has been re-written, translated, etc NUMEROUS times. The canonization process was a process of selection and removal. The Bible that you hold as true had numerous other books removed from it (as the clergy at the time saw fit). Claiming that "your faith is superior to other faiths" just dosn't hold any water.

I refrained from quoting the bible or the book of mormon at any time, because I'm attempting to avoid involving myself in a pointless and childish discussion concerning who's religion is correct. Also, quoting a book who's authenticity is so uncertain is rather pointless. You haven't provided any historical facts, just quotes from YOUR faith.

If you want I could throw out quotes from numerous holy books (from ones in a judaic origin such as your own, or eastern religions like hinduism or taoism, or indigenous religions of the americas). However, that would be childish and stupid - and NOT historical fact.


Understand, everything I've just mentioned is from 17 1/2 year's of work and study. And there are good ideas that can be had from others, but it can't be bound as scripture or tradition. YMMV... :)

That is the most ridiculous statement ever. There's nothing verifying the authenticity of your scripture - especially over the authenticity of the Vedas. Also, numerous religions have NO scripture (as they are oral traditions), however this makes them no less valid than yours.

[piper]

Round and round in circles we go, will anyone make a point? Nobody knows...

[Tomtom]

Piper! Quit being a trouble maker!


To everyone else,

So far this discussion has been going quite well and I have been enjoying the reading of most of your posts.

Keep in mind, I don't want to see this turn into a "My Religion is better, or your religion is wrong" debate.

As the son of an Anglican Priest, I enjoy although don't participate in religion debates on CW, so please don't ruin it for everyone by getting carried away.

[CONtroversial_subject]

removed

[piper]

Its tripped up, I wasn't even gon check this thread out, then today like 2 days after i checked this topic out, there was a ton of mormons swarming round my crib with those dress shirts and name tags. I actually didn't know thats what they was for a minute, I went out there, dude was driving by with his trunk open and I offered a hand right quick to close it for him. He says thanks or whatever, but instead of mindin his own business and goin on, he pulls over and walks up on my front porch while me and a couple of my boyz are just chillin and he starts handing out these cards with a picture of jesus on it, so im like, u a jahova's witness or whatever, he says nah they missionaries, so i look at the card and it says mormon right on it, he asks me if im christian, I tell him im Catholic, and he tells me I should order this tape on the card about their faith. Thats when I sorta stepped back like WHAT? I just told u I was catholic, im tryin to be nice with y'all, and you wanna push this **** on me, like I said I was outside chillin, havin a cigarette, so i put it to his card and let it burn up till there was just a lil piece left and it started burning my fingers.

Like you gonna come on my property and disrespect me like that after I already told you i was catholic, so I hope they get the message this time, cuz im tired of that **** for real. I dont know if anybody else have problems with these guys keep coming by all the time, first time you polite and everything, second time i was rude, third time i let em get a look at my rottie, and finally its like, if i set yo damn card on fire u gonna get the message or what. To any mormons out there reading this, people dont like you coming up telling them about your religion when they already got one, so if they say they catholic, prodestant, budhist whatever, just take a hint and get lost. You aint gonna win over no members by being a pain in the ***.

Instead of just turning them away politely (like most people with any sense of social grace do) you had to be a world class a**hole. They are just doing the work that they find important, and they don't need people to s*** all over them for it. If you don't want their stuff, say no. Don't burn it in front of them. You want them to have respect for you religion, have some for theirs. Try it sometime.

[piper]

Piper! Quit being a trouble maker!

I must protest. I prefer 'pointer out of the obvious'.

[Tomtom]

Protest all you want. We aren't stupid, and we can see the obvious without you pointing it out all the time.

You're being a trouble maker, trust me, I know one when I see one.

[Coomber 535]

Instead of just turning them away politely (like most people with any sense of social grace do) you had to be a world class a**hole. They are just doing the work that they find important, and they don't need people to s*** all over them for it. If you don't want their stuff, say no. Don't burn it in front of them. You want them to have respect for you religion, have some for theirs. Try it sometime.

I concur. That's just plain rude, and very childish. Perhaps you missed your nap that afternoon, you need to go lie down in your crib. :p

No wonder older people sometimes think that young people are dangerous and disrespectful.

[Ching]

I concur. That's just plain rude, and very childish. Perhaps you missed your nap that afternoon, you need to go lie down in your crib. :p

No wonder older people sometimes think that young people are dangerous and disrespectful.
I think you guys missed the part where he said that he gave them ample opportunity to leave them alone, asking politely more than once.
Yeah it was rude, but it was also rude of them to stay after they were asked to leave.

[wb256]

I think you guys missed the part where he said that he gave them ample opportunity to leave them alone, asking politely more than once.
Yeah it was rude, but it was also rude of them to stay after they were asked to leave.


It's a tough call, but some of those people CAN be just plain pushy. I've had people doing the same type of work (not sure for which religion) come up to me and say "you look like someone who needs to find God". (commenting on the way I used to dress when I was younger)

Like seriously, how offensive is that? If you want me to join your religion, making rude comments about my clothing isn't the way to go about doing it.

I've had a few other bad experiences with people trying to sell their religion to me. Once some people (from a faith I'll refrain from identifying) came to my door. They asked me if I was familiar with their faith, and I said yes. I explained my spiritual state (which I explained earlier, that I try to find spiritual truth in all religions) and that I've read much of their scripture. However, I stated that I was NOT interested in joining any church. At this point they kept harassing me for my phone number, my mailing address, my address at university (I was at my parent's house at the time), etc. They would NOT give up. I evetually just had to say "look, I've got stuff to do" and close the door on them. I felt bad, but they were being downright rude.

However, once (after being mistaken for a street kid in Winnipeg) a Baptist came up to me and my friends. He handed up a small brochure and a dollar and then said "here's money for a cup of coffee, and if you're interested here's some information about a faith that changed my life 30 years ago." then he politely went on his way. I found this to be a very nice and polite way to go about spreading your faith (especially because we had been ditched in winnipeg and we were out of money, lol).

I've actually had positive experiences with Mormons as well. Rather than trying to sell their faith, they were trying to spread understanding of their faith - which I believe is a great thing. They gave me a free book of Mormon, and some literature that was more geared towards explaining the faith to others rather than trying to recruit. I gladly accepted it (I love learning about other cultures) and they quickly let me be. I've had the same experience with Muslims numerous times.

Alright, my extreamly long winded point is that it's REALLY flippin' rude to not leave after someone tells you you're not interested in converting. However, I don't think that we should let these people represent the entire faith. There's much more to Mormonism than the few rude and pushy members, just as there's more to catholicism than the Spanish Inquisition.

[piper]

I concur. That's just plain rude, and very childish. Perhaps you missed your nap that afternoon, you need to go lie down in your crib. :p

No wonder older people sometimes think that young people are dangerous and disrespectful.

Oh dear, I guess I'll stop throwing sand in the sandbox now. Sorry people, maybye I'll give myself a little time out in the corner to think of all the trouble I've caused.

[Ching]

just as there's more to catholicism than the Spanish Inquisition.
Now you're just being silly!

[Bright Eyes]

Oh dear, I guess I'll stop throwing sand in the sandbox now. Sorry people, maybye I'll give myself a little time out in the corner to think of all the trouble I've caused.
I agree. If you don't clear your engrams you will never free your thetan. :(

Just because a religion might be young doesn't mean that it is any less credible. Christianity has been around for a long time, but the original concepts laid out by the founders of the church are much different than what any Christian sects follow now.

Since other people are recommending that people read things, I suggest that anyone remotely interested in modern religion should read the books Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought or Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health by L. Ron Hubbard. They certainly enlightened me. :)

[piper]

I agree. If you don't clear your engrams you will never free your thetan. :(

And that means what, may I ask?

[offguard96]

Piper: Something to do with scientology. Who knows.

Read up on L. Ron Hubbard...his life is actually pretty funny:

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/cult/l-ron-hubbard/

Yeah, I know, rotten.com, but the library section isn't sick, just clever and well-researched.

[CONtroversial_subject]

I concur. That's just plain rude, and very childish. Perhaps you missed your nap that afternoon, you need to go lie down in your crib. :p

No wonder older people sometimes think that young people are dangerous and disrespectful.

I guess you're the type who listens to everybody no matter how rude they come off right? Oh wait, but you just said I was the reason old people think that youth are dangerous and disrespectful, a word to the not so wise, if you are going to give advice, make sure its advice that you follow.

I try to be nice to everybody, im a West Coast kid, we're known for being chill, but if you disrespect me, dont expect a tolerant response. Every action has an equal and opposite re-action. Think about that before you go and make cracks about somebody's personality, its people like you that are the reasons those generalizations exist.

[piper]

I guess you're the type who listens to everybody no matter how rude they come off right? Oh wait, but you just said I was the reason old people think that youth are dangerous and disrespectful, a word to the not so wise, if you are going to give advice, make sure its advice that you follow.

I try to be nice to everybody, im a West Coast kid, we're known for being chill, but if you disrespect me, dont expect a tolerant response. Every action has an equal and opposite re-action. Think about that before you go and make cracks about somebody's personality, its people like you that are the reasons those generalizations exist.

As a matter of fact, I belive he was referring to me and what i said.

[offguard96]

Coomber was agreeing with Piper about Letain's conduct toward the Mormons.

[piper]

Coomber was agreeing with Piper about Letain's conduct toward the Mormons.

REALLY??? I thought he was referring to what I said to Mr. Letain. Neato, so does this mean I can start throwing sand again?

[offguard96]

does this mean I can start throwing sand again?

With both your angry little fists, Piper, with both your angry little fists. Just make sure you don't hit any teachers. They'll put you on time out.

[Ching]

If you hit me or my Barbies, I'll tell on you!

[Coomber 535]

I guess you're the type who listens to everybody no matter how rude they come off right? Oh wait, but you just said I was the reason old people think that youth are dangerous and disrespectful, a word to the not so wise, if you are going to give advice, make sure its advice that you follow.

Of course I practice what I preach. After telling them I'm not interested, I wouldn't just sit there and listen, I would simply give them a lecture on my religion. They're clearly there to talk religion, so why not. After about two minutes of me talking about my church, then they'll give up and walk away. You see, if you don't want to be rude, the polite thing to do is to "kill them with kindness". (one of the many things I've learned from working at McDonald's).

Piper: Sorry about the confusion. I guess I wasn't quite clear enough.

[Coomber 535]

If you hit me or my Barbies, I'll tell on you!
*runs away with a barbie head on a stick*

[AmandaW]

I went on there for some time as a real person..it was actually quite fun...some person kept "stocking" me and waiving his hands in my face...hahha...it's all good....interesting site though.

[Tomtom]

After telling them I'm not interested, I wouldn't just sit there and listen, I would simply give them a lecture on my religion. They're clearly there to talk religion, so why not. After about two minutes of me talking about my church, then they'll give up and walk away.



I take a little more direct approach. (depending on where I am of course.)

CFB Petawawa: They are not allowed to canvass on the base, so I don't have to worry about it.

St. Catharines: I ask them to leave. If they do not, I inform them that they are in violation of the Ontario Trespass to Property Act, and will be arrested and delivered to a Peace Officer forth with, if they do not comply with my directions.

At my mom's house: Well, I have to play a little more of a public relations role there. But we don't get to many coming to the door of the town's Anglican Priest. So, usually there are no worries.

[Ching]

*runs away with a barbie head on a stick*
:eek:!!!!

How RUDE! *sob*