Outraged By The Fiberal Budget!!!???!!!

[The Blue Tory]

The previous version of this might be too harsh...

So let me edit it by simply putting

THANKYOU CW'S ONTARIO LIBERAL SUPPORTERS FOR ELECTING A GOVERNMENT OF SUCH INCOMPETENCY. MY LIGHTENED WALLET THANKS YOU...

So why don't we have impeachment in Canada.

Don't you think that if a government is so incompetent and breaks so many promises as soon as taking power, they should face impeachment?

[AMothfromWpg]

As much as I don't usually agree with liberal idealogy
what is your substantiation for your opinion?

And the note about the gov't breaking promises- all gov'ts do - there are things that will ensure votes, and then there are the actual promises to work on... It's all in how you read `em...

[The Blue Tory]

As much as I don't usually agree with liberal idealogy
what is your substantiation for your opinion?

And the note about the gov't breaking promises- all gov'ts do - there are things that will ensure votes, and then there are the actual promises to work on... It's all in how you read `em...
Well, most governments keep at least a few of their promises and don't break any before they hit their first budget

[chrischu]

The West never gets any funding anyways.

[Chief Hoult]

In all fairness, who would you have thought to win?

The PC's wouldn't win, too many people wanted them gone (not personally, but clearly I'm one of the few)

NDP? Uhh...yeah...no.

Vote for Satan, the lesser of 4 evils ;) lol, not really....go PC (or whatever they are now, lol)

CH

[jgoguen]

HANKYOU CW'S ONTARIO FIB(ERR...) LIBERAL SUPPORTERS FOR ELECTING A GOVERNMENT OF SUCH INCOMPETENCY. MY LIGHTENED WALLET THANKS YOU... Because of course the members of CW from Ontario make up the majority of the voting population in Ontario and all support the Liberals...:rolleyes: What? You mean that's not true? Well then why are you saying CWs Ontario Liberal supporters had anything to do with electing a government. Let's actually think about this for a second...


Don't you think that if a government is so incompetent and breaks so many promises as soon as taking power, they should face impeachment?

It is illegal for anyone to lie about a candidate during a federal election campaign, but it is legal for candidates to lie about what they promise to do or what they have done in every province except British Columbia.
So don't complain that candidates are lying. They're allowed to. In fact, Paul Martin's campaign promise could be to raise minimum wage to $20/hr nation-wide and to write a law saying politicians can't lie during an election (like in BC provincial elections) and then laugh and say "yea right" when he gets elected.


The last four elections have elected majority governments, and at no point did the ruling party receive more than 33.1% of eligible voters.
So maybe Liberal support isn't so rampant if they only got 33.1% of eligible voters. Hmm...


If six Canadians believe a Canadian corporation is lying in its advertising, they can sign and send a letter to the Competition Bureau. The Bureau will investigate and determine whether the corporation lied, and if so, what corrective measures are required.
I'm sure you can find 5 other people who think the government is lying. Write a letter to the Competition Bureau. Heck, just skip that and send it straight to Paul Martin himself...just drop an envelope in the mailbox saying "To: The Office of the Prime Minister"...you don't even have to risk him knowing who wrote the letter :rolleyes:


Quebec's voter turn-out rate was 64.1% in 2000, the third highest in Canada (behind New Brunswick and Prince Edward's Island, and just over the national average of 61.2%).
In the 1997 Federal Election, Quebec had the second highest turn-out in the country with 77.3% (Nova Scotia's was 77.4) and in 1993, the highest turn-out with 77.1%.
Seems to me if you want the Liberals gone, you should be talking nice to people from Quebec. All over Quebec too. Or get the people of Ontario to all vote. Either way, you've got to talk to those nasty, dirty, hateful moronic Liberal supporters :rolleyes: ;)

[Ching]

Hokay.
First of all, no, I'm not outraged by this budget.
It's going to improve healthcare in Ontario, one of the election promises. The minimal cost of the premiums, in my opinion, is a small price to pay for improved healthcare. The money has to come from somewhere, and with a $6 billion deficit to work with, what else do you expect them to do?
They're also increasing education spending. Hiring 1000 new teachers. Finally capping class sizes, something the Tories promised repeatedly but never did.
The PCs will never be happy with a Liberal budget, even if it were identical to the one they themselves would have put out. It's their job to get fanatically angry about anything a Liberal does. If they'd decided to balance the budget and not increase spending in healthcare or education, we'd get months of griping about how the Liberals don't share Ontarians' "number one priorities". Since they've decided to gradually balance the budget, and to increase spending by increasing taxes slightly, we're going to hear griping about this instead.
I see this as a very bold and positive budget. I hope to God that it works out well.
And, if I had my druthers, I druther have the NDP in power. NDP roxors my boxers. :)

[Lance]

Jesus Tak, where does it end? You should just move to another country for christ sake, first fast food is too expensive then gas (its 99.9 here for self serve regular, consider yourself lucky!), now this. What next? Isit gonna be tuition raises (again...), or how about the hunt for some crazy wild endangered animal in the rockies, no wait, I bet it will be something about me shooting you down everytime you get on your high horse about something stupid.

Look man, dont blame it on the supporters, because they DIDNT make the promises, they just voted. Maybe YOU should run for office if you think you could do better...

[piper]

While I normally have my views leaning towards the CPC (and old Alliance party) way of thinking, I do think differently on one thing. If you want to have all the nice things we have here in Ontario (or Canada for that matter), like half decent roads and healthcare with no money down, you have to pay taxes. Thats how it is, high taxes=more gov't programs and support (like student loans...) and low taxes=less services. The gov't is cash strapped across the board, and unless we want a US style healthcare system, we gotta fork out a little more taxes. Thats how it is, unless we hit the jackpot of oil up north or something, we're going to have to pay taxes, like it or not.

And last but not least...in the upcoming federal election....vote CPC!!! They're the only hope we have left for Canada.

[The Blue Tory]

not the taxes so much... as the lack of ability to keep at least 2% of his promises made...

I take comfort in knowing that Dalton will be out next election...

[jhunter]

The liberals are not fulfilling their promises. They have a very good, and large, excuse: the PC party lied about the government finances directly before the election. Now, if it were me who was elected into office after that, I'd be calling for an inquiry...and hold each PC responsible in contempt, and ensure they are never allowed to be an MPP again.

Not only that, but Dalton and his Cabinet are being fined every year they have a deficit. Their budget has a long term forecast to finally balance the books by the next election. Explain to me hows it fair that none of the PC cabinet have been fined for their deficit, or why Eves or Harris are not being labelled as frauds or liars? They were the ones that said the books were balanced when there was $5.6 Billion missing, and its for that lie that the liberals are simply unable to deliver on many of the promises they made...since they suddenly found out they didn't have the money to carry them out.

You want a measure of the Ontario liberal government? Check the public coffers after 4 years. If the books are closer to being managed, and even a smidgeon of liberal policies are implemented, it will be a miracle.

Also, be glad you didn't get another PC government. You can't hide a deficit forever since at some time your creditors want money. As soon as the 'scandal' of a hidden deficit surfaced under PC leadership, we would have been in for anywhere between 1 to 4 years of depression (not repression).

[Wood]

I'm going to agree with the last post the PC government was absolutely terrible in Ontario. Somehow we piled on this HUGE debt that no one was aware of until they left, Health care was continually getting worst, the education system was turning into a bit of a joke in so many areas and beyond that they decided that it was appropriate to find scapegoats like single mothers in order to blame their problems on them.

[condor888000]

While I normally have my views leaning towards the CPC (and old Alliance party) way of thinking, I do think differently on one thing. If you want to have all the nice things we have here in Ontario (or Canada for that matter), like half decent roads and healthcare with no money down, you have to pay taxes. Thats how it is, high taxes=more gov't programs and support (like student loans...) and low taxes=less services. The gov't is cash strapped across the board, and unless we want a US style healthcare system, we gotta fork out a little more taxes. Thats how it is, unless we hit the jackpot of oil up north or something, we're going to have to pay taxes, like it or not.

And last but not least...in the upcoming federal election....vote CPC!!! They're the only hope we have left for Canada.

For the feederal election, here's what the parties major platforms are:

Liberal: We always win, why throw away your vote on someone else?
Conservative: Go west Go! Screw the liberals!
NDP: We need to increase spending on everything without raising taxes!
Bloc: Screw you guys, I'm going home! TO SEPERATE!

[chrischu]

Now the Liberals are running a smear campaign on Steven Harper:

StevenHarperSaid.ca

CC

[piper]

Now the Liberals are running a smear campaign on Steven Harper:

StevenHarperSaid.ca

CC

And you know why they're doing that? Because they know that this time they have a chance of losing, and Mr. Martin will do anything to keep his job as PM. Yes, the PC screwed up Ontario and the Liberals may be able to fix it, but as a federal gov't, the Liberals have gone way passed their time.

[Wood]

And you know why they're doing that? Because they know that this time they have a chance of losing, and Mr. Martin will do anything to keep his job as PM. Yes, the PC screwed up Ontario and the Liberals may be able to fix it, but as a federal gov't, the Liberals have gone way passed their time.

I'll give them four more years, at least then Bush will be gone for sure. I'm not looking forward to Comservatives buddying up to him. And perhaps unnecessarily risking the lives of Canadian soldiers and cities.

[Ching]

And last but not least...in the upcoming federal election....vote CPC!!! They're the only hope we have left for Canada.
Yeah, cause the Conservatives did such a good job of governing Ontario for the past 8 years... I'll be sure to vote for them for many years to come! {!}

[condor888000]

I'll give them four more years, at least then Bush will be gone for sure. I'm not looking forward to Comservatives buddying up to him. And perhaps unnecessarily risking the lives of Canadian soldiers and cities.

Yeah, but Martin is talking about doing the same thing.

[Insane Power Pilot]

Jesus Tak, where does it end? You should just move to another country for christ sake,

That's my plan! Not for a long time though! :p

I think the issue should be that McGuinty promised during the election not to raise taxes and I'd guess he was elected on that promise. I don't know what the whole budget is all about, but I heard they did raise the liquor tax to up the price of a dozen beer by 45 cents, just in time for BBQ season. Clearly a cash grab and it's going to hurt the industry that I work for and love.

Why can't everybody follow Alberta's shining example of slash and burn budgeting? Sure our services have taken a dive, but I can't wait until 2005 when our debt is gone and the province has the billions of dollars they normally put toward the debt plus whatever they were paying in interest at their disposal. What a time to be alive! :)

[condor888000]

We all know why alberta doesn't have high beer taxes. If they did how could Klien stay as drunk as he is?

[The Blue Tory]

Yeah, cause the Conservatives did such a good job of governing Ontario for the past 8 years... I'll be sure to vote for them for many years to come! {!}
If you knew anything... the Provincial and Federal governments aren't the same exact people, they have the same name and ideas, but just because one level of government does something bad, doesn't mean the other level will do the same thing...

[Insane Power Pilot]

We all know why alberta doesn't have high beer taxes. If they did how could Klien stay as drunk as he is?

Clearly, you are misinformed. It is because Alberta doesn't get a kick out of gouging its citizens for every dollar like the other provinces.

[Wood]

Clearly, you are misinformed. It is because Alberta doesn't get a kick out of gouging its citizens for every dollar like the other provinces.

Clearly he was kidding?

But on the serious side of the argument, Alberta has a different economical make up than the other provinces which equates to a different economical system. Ontario likes social services, both the government and the people.

[Cheryl Tucker]

Vote for Satan, the lesser of 4 evils ;) lol, not really....go PC (or whatever they are now, lol)

CHSo... its like 10:30 and I'm a big wuss who goes to bed early and I'm tired so I'm way too lazy to read all through this thread tonight but wanted to state that since PCs have been elected for NL, all has gone down hill. I think even though the Liberals break a lot of promises, they are better at keeping everyone equally un/happy. PCs choose themselves over anyone so I'm completely against them but its just a Danny Williams/NL thing. Argh... :rolleyes:

I hope my post isnt completely off topic now but I'll read the rest of this thread tomorrow.

Night!

[The Blue Tory]

what happens in NL doesn't happen everywhere.

The PCs have been in power for years in AB and that province isn't doing that bad...

You are being prejudiced by saying that, claiming that all conservatives are the same because of 1 party in one province...

Its like saying all of the NDPs are drunk driving criminals because of BC's former NDP premier... (I think it was NDP)... you can't say that

[Wood]

what happens in NL doesn't happen everywhere.

The PCs have been in power for years in AB and that province isn't doing that bad...

You are being prejudiced by saying that, claiming that all conservatives are the same because of 1 party in one province...

Its like saying all of the NDPs are drunk driving criminals because of BC's former NDP premier... (I think it was NDP)... you can't say that

Isn't it more like saying that the PC political outlook is not compatible with provinces in Eastern Canada? Alberta is very, very different than NL, that's like saying that a government system works here it'll work everywhere.

[The Blue Tory]

There were successful Tory governments in the past including large amounts of seats in Ontario, so there is good potential of it happening again...

Best thing for Canada would be a minority government, preferably Conservative... Even if it is liberal again, a minority would prevent them from continuing their scandals...

[Ching]

If you knew anything... the Provincial and Federal governments aren't the same exact people, they have the same name and ideas, but just because one level of government does something bad, doesn't mean the other level will do the same thing...
Thanks, obviously I'm a retard.
WHO KNEW that the Paul Martin wasn't also the Premier of Ontario? And goshdarnit, I could have sworn that Brian Mulroney was our last Premier.

They have the same ideas. You said it yourself. I'm not voting Tory, because the Tories, in my recent memory (which includes the last Tory Prime Minister) don't do a good job of governing. I've said it before, I'm an NDP/Green Party supporter. And you know what made me that way? The actions of the Conservatives.

[The Blue Tory]

Thanks, obviously I'm a retard.
WHO KNEW that the Paul Martin wasn't also the Premier of Ontario? And goshdarnit, I could have sworn that Brian Mulroney was our last Premier.

They have the same ideas. You said it yourself. I'm not voting Tory, because the Tories, in my recent memory (which includes the last Tory Prime Minister) don't do a good job of governing. I've said it before, I'm an NDP/Green Party supporter. And you know what made me that way? The actions of the Conservatives.
Well you aren't that bad then...

At least your not a Liberal... thing is, will your leader win a seat in Toronto over Dennis Mills?

[Ching]

Probably not. But I'm not dissatisfied with the job the Liberals are doing, anyway. Not enough to cause a stink, anyway. I think Paul Martin is a bit of a stereotypical politician, but other than that, not unhappy.

[jgoguen]

Random thought of the day: It's legal for politicians to lie about what they promise to do if elected in every province except BC. I'm not sure if that applies to federal candidates, but I'd think not. Otherwise we could all follow the campaign stories from BC ;)

And I got called a red tory today...I was rather entertained...

[The Blue Tory]

what'd be interesting would be to have politicians swear an oath and sign an affadavit or something in relation to their promises... That way if they break them, PERJURY!!! lol

[jgoguen]

Random thought of the day: It's legal for politicians to lie about what they promise to do if elected in every province except BC. I'm not sure if that applies to federal candidates, but I'd think not. Do you really think politicians are going to make laws that hurt them? Dream on...:rolleyes:

[condor888000]

We can wish...

[Wood]

what'd be interesting would be to have politicians swear an oath and sign an affadavit or something in relation to their promises... That way if they break them, PERJURY!!! lol


Besides the obvious point already made this would be an absolutley ridiculous law.

Things happen that are beyond politicians control, sept 11th and the hidden debt in Ontario are two examples as is SARS, Mad Cow, ecoli, blackouts.... Plans are put into action and sometimes they don't workout as planned and it would be a bad decision to do push the matter. Sometimes comprimises have to be made and things actually work better when changed. Adaptation is an important trait of good leadership.

Not to mention the opposition would constantly accuse the government of lying.

There is literally no effective way of saying that a party must stick to its campaign system other than a symbollic law that outlaws the practice. How exactly do you judge whether a person has kept their promise or tried to keep it and when they haven't.

[The Blue Tory]

Besides the obvious point already made this would be an absolutley ridiculous law.

Things happen that are beyond politicians control, sept 11th and the hidden debt in Ontario are two examples as is SARS, Mad Cow, ecoli, blackouts.... Plans are put into action and sometimes they don't workout as planned and it would be a bad decision to do push the matter. Sometimes comprimises have to be made and things actually work better when changed. Adaptation is an important trait of good leadership.

Not to mention the opposition would constantly accuse the government of lying.

There is literally no effective way of saying that a party must stick to its campaign system other than a symbollic law that outlaws the practice. How exactly do you judge whether a person has kept their promise or tried to keep it and when they haven't.
I never actually said it should happen!

Just that it would be interesting to see... I don't know what interesting to see means to you... but it sure don't mean it should happen...

[condor888000]

Things happen that are beyond politicians control, sept 11th and the hidden debt in Ontario are two examples as is SARS, Mad Cow, ecoli, blackouts.... Plans are put into action and sometimes they don't workout as planned and it would be a bad decision to do push the matter. Sometimes comprimises have to be made and things actually work better when changed. Adaptation is an important trait of good leadership.

Yeah, but name me one government that kept most of their promises or didn't say that there was a hidden defict or somethin.

[The Blue Tory]

Yeah, but name me one government that kept most of their promises or didn't say that there was a hidden defict or somethin.
ok

Canada's first government led by Conservative John A Macdonald

[AMothfromWpg]

ok

Canada's first government led by Conservative John A Macdonald
That government was riddled with false promises and such. all in the name of confederation.

[The Blue Tory]

meh

This may be of interest in regards to the thread

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1085181065840_80590265///?hub=Canada

[The Blue Tory]

Instead of just complaining do something

Sign the Canadian Taxpayers Federation's petition
http://www.taxpayer.com/ON_Honour_the_pledge.htm

[Wood]

Just curious, what does everyone think the Liberals should have done practically. Beyond answers like "They should have kept their promise" or "they shouldn't have made the promise (which the felt they could keep)". Practically once they got into office and realized that it was a mess and need renovations what actions should they have taken.

I'm not sure I can think of anything. The liberals did not get voted in because of those promises, they aren't what's most important part of the liberals agenda. People in Ontario were just fed up with the falling health care system and its extended waiting lines and the education system that was getting terrible direction. So there's no way the party would be representing the will of the people if they didn't do everything in their power to fix these two problems. They didn't lie to the tax payer their agenda was always clear, and if it weren't for the spending idiocies of the last government (thinks about stupid signs and 8 million doller propoganda books handed out in school that all went in the trash) the province would be in much better shape.

[The Blue Tory]

Just curious, what does everyone think the Liberals should have done practically. Beyond answers like "They should have kept their promise" or "they shouldn't have made the promise (which the felt they could keep)". Practically once they got into office and realized that it was a mess and need renovations what actions should they have taken.

I'm not sure I can think of anything. The liberals did not get voted in because of those promises, they aren't what's most important part of the liberals agenda. People in Ontario were just fed up with the falling health care system and its extended waiting lines and the education system that was getting terrible direction. So there's no way the party would be representing the will of the people if they didn't do everything in their power to fix these two problems. They didn't lie to the tax payer their agenda was always clear, and if it weren't for the spending idiocies of the last government (thinks about stupid signs and 8 million doller propoganda books handed out in school that all went in the trash) the province would be in much better shape.
And wouldn't Canada as a whole would have been in a much better shape had millions of our dollars hadn't been wasted on boondoggles such as the sponsership scandal, and that gun registry...

So far, McGuinty hurt environment (oak ridges), our wallets, and now our livelihood (with higher drink taxes)

[Wood]

And wouldn't Canada as a whole would have been in a much better shape had millions of our dollars hadn't been wasted on boondoggles such as the sponsership scandal, and that gun registry...

So far, McGuinty hurt environment (oak ridges), our wallets, and now our livelihood (with higher drink taxes)

Yes, it probably would have been. But you haven't answered the question, with logic, merely rhetoric. Let me put it simply, ontarians want social services the money for those services isn't there anymore, what does the government do?

[The Blue Tory]

Yes, it probably would have been. But you haven't answered the question, with logic, merely rhetoric. Let me put it simply, ontarians want social services the money for those services isn't there anymore, what does the government do?
If Ontario wants social services so much, then why didn't they just elect the NDP... which might just happen next election, if that Hamilton by-election is a sign of things to come...

[Wood]

If Ontario wants social services so much, then why didn't they just elect the NDP... which might just happen next election, if that Hamilton by-election is a sign of things to come...

Good point, who needs degrees in the political spectrum? Their should only be two parties the Communist and the Facists. {!}

It doesn't sound like your arguing that the liberals are not doing what the people elected them to do. It sounds as if your arguing about why the Liberals aren't the conservatives.

[Ching]

Just curious, what does everyone think the Liberals should have done practically. Beyond answers like "They should have kept their promise" or "they shouldn't have made the promise (which the felt they could keep)". Practically once they got into office and realized that it was a mess and need renovations what actions should they have taken.

I'm not sure I can think of anything. The liberals did not get voted in because of those promises, they aren't what's most important part of the liberals agenda. .
Exactly.
They didn't know the state of their bank accounts until they were voted in. As far as they knew, it was a balanced budget. So of course they're going to promise not to raise taxes! And I"m sure that they tried for months to stick to that promise, but heck. YOU try and fix a $6 billion hole in your pocket without borrowing money!

[Whiff]

I've noticed that some of you posted that you aren't voting for the federal party becasue of the provincial party, or vice versa. You shouldn't base your decision on that because although similar, they are very different.

Just a though. :)

[Whiff]

So... its like 10:30 and I'm a big wuss who goes to bed early and I'm tired so I'm way too lazy to read all through this thread tonight but wanted to state that since PCs have been elected for NL, all has gone down hill. I think even though the Liberals break a lot of promises, they are better at keeping everyone equally un/happy. PCs choose themselves over anyone so I'm completely against them but its just a Danny Williams/NL thing. Argh... :rolleyes:

I hope my post isnt completely off topic now but I'll read the rest of this thread tomorrow.

Night!

Danny Williams and his Progressive Conservative government are doing a great job at cleaning up the mess left by the fomer Liberal Government.

You have to understand that the PC were coming into house not expecting a large deficit since the Liberals were running on a balanced budget. When the PC came into power and discovered that the Liberals left an 800 million dollar deficit, they had to do something to fix it or the deficit would reach 1 billion at current spending.

So what you hear is what makes it to the news, what about the extra 2.3 million from hydro quebec, what about the 70 new Police Officers and the fact that they will be trained in Newfoundland and Labrador at Memorial University...that's right, we are going to have our out police training school...what about the extra spending in health care and infrastructure?

There's more good coming out of this than you see on the news. Danny Williams and his government is probably the best one of the best governments this provine will ever see. :)

[Ching]

I've noticed that some of you posted that you aren't voting for the federal party becasue of the provincial party, or vice versa. You shouldn't base your decision on that because although similar, they are very different.

Just a though. :)
You're right.
I may have come across as one who votes for (or doesn't) federal parties because of the provincial ones, etc... but for me, it's not that. It's the values, and the Conservative values just aren't my values. That's all. I'm a very socially minded person, I'm all for social services, and doing whatever it takes to make sure that everybody is ok. So I go as far left as I can, reasonably. I prefer the Green Party, but NDP would satisfy my needs as well, I think.

[The Blue Tory]

You're right.
I may have come across as one who votes for (or doesn't) federal parties because of the provincial ones, etc... but for me, it's not that. It's the values, and the Conservative values just aren't my values. That's all. I'm a very socially minded person, I'm all for social services, and doing whatever it takes to make sure that everybody is ok. So I go as far left as I can, reasonably. I prefer the Green Party, but NDP would satisfy my needs as well, I think.
why don't you vote Commie then? or is that too extreme?

[Ching]

why don't you vote Commie then? or is that too extreme?

as far left as I can, reasonably
Read carefully. Communists, by reputation, aren't reasonable. Nor are they likely ever to be elected in Canada.

[Whiff]

You're right.
I may have come across as one who votes for (or doesn't) federal parties because of the provincial ones, etc... but for me, it's not that. It's the values, and the Conservative values just aren't my values. That's all. I'm a very socially minded person, I'm all for social services, and doing whatever it takes to make sure that everybody is ok. So I go as far left as I can, reasonably. I prefer the Green Party, but NDP would satisfy my needs as well, I think.

Exactly. When it came to the past Provincial Election 7 months ago, I was a hardcore supporter of the PC's, and I still am. They are doing a great job and great things are to come.

However, I can't vote CPC. I just do agree with what they stand for, and if Stephen Harper is PM, it will be the death of Atlantic Canada and Newfoundland and Labrador. This federal election is going to be a difficult choice. All the seats in NL are on thin ice, so it will be interesting to see what comes of it.

[wb256]

Well, most governments keep at least a few of their promises and don't break any before they hit their first budget


Promises can't always be kept. The political/economic/cultural situation can change from campaign time to the end of a 4 year term.

However, I know nothing about the current situation because I'm living in the bush...

I haven't showered for 2 weeks :S

[Wood]

I'm still wondering what everyone whose condemning the liberals think they should have done instead. There's all this talk of incompetance, exactly how do you substantiate those claims.

[Ching]

I haven't showered for 2 weeks :S
Snazzy... :cool:

[wb256]

Snazzy... :cool:


Hey, I'm treeplanting...I don't have much of a choice.

[Ching]

Fair enough... hippy... :p

[wb256]

Fair enough... hippy... :p


This is NOT a hippy activity. There's a few hippies out with us, but they're not having much fun.

More just like crazy bush kids...lol

[Ching]

Poor hippies.
Plant a tree for me, crazy bush kid! :D

[army_gurl_74]

So far, McGuinty hurt environment (oak ridges), our wallets, and now our livelihood (with higher drink taxes)

Your complaining about how you have to pay an extra what 45 cents for a case of beer? :eek:

Wow.... :mad:

I hope you do remember that McGuinty also cut physiotherapy from OHIP. Think of all of the older people who DEPEND on that, and now they probably won't be able to afford it because of that. I am actually in physiotherapy right now (I go twice a month, I'm slowly getting off of it after re-injury of my ankle) and there are some people there that probably wouldn't even be able to WALK if they did not have it.

McGuinty should have hurt the beer and the smokes harder... because he obviously didn't think of the older people .. :rolleyes:

[Wood]

Your complaining about how you have to pay an extra what 45 cents for a case of beer? :eek:

Wow.... :mad:

I hope you do remember that McGuinty also cut physiotherapy from OHIP. Think of all of the older people who DEPEND on that, and now they probably won't be able to afford it because of that. I am actually in physiotherapy right now (I go twice a month, I'm slowly getting off of it after re-injury of my ankle) and there are some people there that probably wouldn't even be able to WALK if they did not have it.

McGuinty should have hurt the beer and the smokes harder... because he obviously didn't think of the older people .. :rolleyes:

I wasn't aware that he'd had cut this, that's no good. Physio's pretty expensive, I know I had to pay $40 a visit 3 or 4 times a week when I was getting over ankle surgery. I was lucky my parents insurance covered it and we I think they mailed in the reciepts or something like that. But if you don't have that insurance you'd be screwed, I'd probably still wouldn't be able to walk without physio.

That's disappointing. Ontario wants good health, not second rate crap and when it comes down to it we're willing to pay for it, and that's why we voted for liberals in the first place.

[Insane Power Pilot]

Your complaining about how you have to pay an extra what 45 cents for a case of beer? :eek:

Say, did you know that Canada has the 3rd highest liquor tax in the world? (Norway and Finland have the highest) I'm being told that 53% of what you pay for a case of beer is tax! It's taxed just like gasoline! :p

[jgoguen]

And the problem with that is what exactly? I'd say the gas tax should be dropped to bring prices down to what they were a few years ago and add the tax on liquor and smokes. More heavily on smokes of course, hike them to insanely high rates. We looked at the supply and demand curve for 25-packs nation-wide, and we found the government could charge up to twice the current cost with little change in demand. After that more than a few people seem to be willing to quit ;)

Then again, I'm pretty harsh when it comes to someone doing something that kills both of us :rolleyes:

[ctjj.stevenson]

The previous version of this might be too harsh...

So let me edit it by simply putting

THANKYOU CW'S ONTARIO FIB(ERR...) LIBERAL SUPPORTERS FOR ELECTING A GOVERNMENT OF SUCH INCOMPETENCY. MY LIGHTENED WALLET THANKS YOU...

So why don't we have impeachment in Canada.

Don't you think that if a government is so incompetent and breaks so many promises as soon as taking power, they should face impeachment?

We are not the United States. I will not put an opinion on the Ontario government budget (because, well, it does not effect me), but a government can not be impeached in the Westminster style model of parliament. The Americans have the system of checks and balances, so that it is quite difficult to govern. In our system, once a government has a majority government, they should be able to do everything that they promised/what is right for their population without any problems. The only way a majority government could lose their authority of government, is if they lose the confidence of the House (their for, a majority of members of parliament) and will have to call of general elections.

[jhunter]

The only way a majority government could lose their authority of government, is if they lose the confidence of the House (their for, a majority of members of parliament) and will have to call of general elections.

Motions of No (or Non) Confidence are used as a way to showing not that a government has done something wrong, but rather that a democratic process has failed. Our system allows parties to excersize strong control over their sitting members (you are pretty much told what to vote for) so a vote of no-confidence from your own side shows that you are willing to vote for a dissolved parliament rather then continue to sit in that parliament. This motion is sometimes abused by Her Majesties Loyal Opposition as a stinging barb. It relays the message that either the majority is not behaving properly, or the democratic process has failed to the point where they are unable to fulfill their obligation as the Opposition.

However, even if we could impeach someone, you can't do it on an election platform. A person can be removed for an infraction only after they hold a position of responsibility, not before they even have the job. After all, as I pointed out before, how could you prove a mens rhea before the liberals found out the PCs where hiding a $5.6 billion debt?

[The Blue Tory]

We are not the United States. I will not put an opinion on the Ontario government budget (because, well, it does not effect me), but a government can not be impeached in the Westminster style model of parliament. The Americans have the system of checks and balances, so that it is quite difficult to govern. In our system, once a government has a majority government, they should be able to do everything that they promised/what is right for their population without any problems. The only way a majority government could lose their authority of government, is if they lose the confidence of the House (their for, a majority of members of parliament) and will have to call of general elections.
Doesn't BC have a recall system?